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apologetic: John Bull @garius It is election season. The world is busy and rubbish. But it is also Christmas. So take a breather and let me tell you a story about London, trains, love and loss, and how small acts of kindness matter. I'm going to tell you about the voice at Embankment Tube station. O43.2K 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019 John Bull @garius Replying to @garius Just before Christmas 2012, staff at Embankment Tube station were approached by a woman who was very upset. She kept asking them where the voice had gone. They weren't sure what she meant. The Voice? The voice, she said. The man who says 'Mind the Gap' O 2,576 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019 John Bull @garius Replying to @garius Don't worry, the staff at Embankment said. The announcement still happens, but they've all been updated. New digital system. New voices. More variety. The staff asked her if she was okay. "That voice," she explained, "was my husband." O 3,014 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019 John Bull @garius Replying to @garius The woman, a GP called Dr Margaret McCollum, explained that her husband was an actor called Oswald Laurence. Oswald had never become famous, but he HAD been the chap who had recorded all the Northern Line announcements back in the seventies. And Oswald had died in 2007. O2,927 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019 John Bull @garius Replying to @garius Oswald's death had left a hole in Margaret's heart. But one thing had helped. Every day, on her way to work, she got to hear his voice. Sometimes, when it hurt too much, she explained, she'd just sit on the platform at Embankment and listen to the announcements for a bit longer. O 3,912 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019 John Bull @garius Replying to @garius For five years, this had become her routine. She knew he wasn't really there but his voice - the memory of him - was. To everyone else, it had just been another announcement. To HER it had been the ghost of the man she still loved. And now even that had gone. O 3,182 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019 John Bull @garius Replying to @garius The staff at Embankment were apologetic, but the whole Underground had this new digital system, it just had to be done. They promised, though, that if the old recordings existed, they'd try and find a copy for her. Margaret knew this was unlikely, but thanked them anyway. O 2,639 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019 John Bull @garius Replying to @garius In the New Year, Margaret McCollum sat on Embankment Station, on her way to work. And over the speakers she heard a familiar voice. The voice of a man she had loved so much, and never thought she'd hear again. "Mind the Gap" Said Oswald Laurence. O 3,702 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019 John Bull @garius Replying to @garius Because it turned out a LOT of people at Embankment, within London Underground, within @TfL and beyond had lost loved ones and wished they could hear them again. And they'd all realised that with luck, just this once, for one person, they might be able to make that happen. O4,039 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019 John Bull @garius Replying to @garius Archives were searched, old tapes found and restored. More people had worked to digitize them. Others had waded through the code of the announcement system to alter it while still more had sorted out the paperwork and got exemptions. And together they made Oswald talk again. O4,096 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019 John Bull @garius Replying to @garius And that is why today, even in 2019, if you go down to Embankment station in London, and sit on the northbound platform on Northern Line, you will here a COMPLETELY different voice say Mind the Gap to ANYWHERE else on the Underground. It's Oswald. Merry Christmas everyone. O 21.4K 4:12 PM - Dec 11, 2019 Source:nunyabizni 5,159 notes Sometimes people will go out of their way to be kind
apologetic: John Bull
 @garius
 It is election season. The world is busy and rubbish.
 But it is also Christmas.
 So take a breather and let me tell you a story about
 London, trains, love and loss, and how small acts of
 kindness matter.
 I'm going to tell you about the voice at Embankment
 Tube station.
 O43.2K 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019
 John Bull
 @garius
 Replying to @garius
 Just before Christmas 2012, staff at Embankment
 Tube station were approached by a woman who was
 very upset.
 She kept asking them where the voice had gone.
 They weren't sure what she meant.
 The Voice?
 The voice, she said. The man who says 'Mind the
 Gap'
 O 2,576 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019
 John Bull
 @garius
 Replying to @garius
 Don't worry, the staff at Embankment said. The
 announcement still happens, but they've all been
 updated. New digital system. New voices. More
 variety.
 The staff asked her if she was okay.
 "That voice," she explained, "was my husband."
 O 3,014 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019
 John Bull
 @garius
 Replying to @garius
 The woman, a GP called Dr Margaret McCollum,
 explained that her husband was an actor called
 Oswald Laurence. Oswald had never become
 famous, but he HAD been the chap who had
 recorded all the Northern Line announcements back
 in the seventies.
 And Oswald had died in 2007.
 O2,927 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019
 John Bull
 @garius
 Replying to @garius
 Oswald's death had left a hole in Margaret's heart.
 But one thing had helped. Every day, on her way to
 work, she got to hear his voice.
 Sometimes, when it hurt too much, she explained,
 she'd just sit on the platform at Embankment and
 listen to the announcements for a bit longer.
 O 3,912 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019
 John Bull
 @garius
 Replying to @garius
 For five years, this had become her routine. She
 knew he wasn't really there but his voice - the
 memory of him - was.
 To everyone else, it had just been another
 announcement. To HER it had been the ghost of the
 man she still loved.
 And now even that had gone.
 O 3,182 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019
 John Bull
 @garius
 Replying to @garius
 The staff at Embankment were apologetic, but the
 whole Underground had this new digital system, it
 just had to be done. They promised, though, that if
 the old recordings existed, they'd try and find a
 copy for her.
 Margaret knew this was unlikely, but thanked them
 anyway.
 O 2,639 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019
 John Bull
 @garius
 Replying to @garius
 In the New Year, Margaret McCollum sat on
 Embankment Station, on her way to work.
 And over the speakers she heard a familiar voice.
 The voice of a man she had loved so much, and
 never thought she'd hear again.
 "Mind the Gap" Said Oswald Laurence.
 O 3,702 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019
 John Bull
 @garius
 Replying to @garius
 Because it turned out a LOT of people at
 Embankment, within London Underground, within
 @TfL and beyond had lost loved ones and wished
 they could hear them again.
 And they'd all realised that with luck, just this once,
 for one person, they might be able to make that
 happen.
 O4,039 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019
 John Bull
 @garius
 Replying to @garius
 Archives were searched, old tapes found and
 restored. More people had worked to digitize them.
 Others had waded through the code of the
 announcement system to alter it while still more
 had sorted out the paperwork and got exemptions.
 And together they made Oswald talk again.
 O4,096 4:11 PM - Dec 11, 2019
 John Bull
 @garius
 Replying to @garius
 And that is why today, even in 2019, if you go down
 to Embankment station in London, and sit on the
 northbound platform on Northern Line, you will here
 a COMPLETELY different voice say Mind the Gap to
 ANYWHERE else on the Underground.
 It's Oswald.
 Merry Christmas everyone.
 O 21.4K 4:12 PM - Dec 11, 2019
 Source:nunyabizni
 5,159 notes
Sometimes people will go out of their way to be kind

Sometimes people will go out of their way to be kind

apologetic: Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)14:22:03 No.827861 File: pepe ipg (40 KB, 500x484) >828204 828417828571832505 禄833102 >826340 DO NOT LEARN MANDARIN DO NOT DO IT YOU WILL FOREVER HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CHINESE, TRUST ME YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT PLEASE MAN DON'T DO IT, THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS MANDARIN AND LIVES IN CHINA YOU DON'T WANT THIS LEARN JAPANESE OR RUSSIAN INSTEAD, TRUST ME, PLEASE DO NOT LEARN MANDARIN IT WILL FUCK UP YOUR LIFE BECAUSE NO BOSS IS GOING TO BE LIKE 'oh he has a degree in Mandarin and speaks it really well, let's just have him not involved in any way whatsoever with China'. The Chinese are absolute shit, they are the worst human beings that I have ever encountered on this planet, and I am EXTREMELY well traveled, including many shithole countries. Don't do it man, please take my advice, learn Japanese or Russian or some shit instead, do NOT learn Mandarin You won't realize the truth in what I'm saying until you're already here, but by then it'll be too late. Don't do it man, please, help me help you, learn something else! 828273 >>828285828397>828542828571832485 832737840123 Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)16:13:48 No.828249 828204 Business related: >constant dickery, backstabbing, underhandedness >if they can lie, cheat, or steal, they will. constantly have to deal with cheats and thieves, the Chinese will rarely outright steal something from you, but they will never give you what you want for the money you spend, unless you spend a large sum of money; the Chinese even have a saying about this, -,- It's basically expected that if you pay a low price for something you'll get scrap, even if it's supposed to adhere to a strict standard Example 1: >I work in the stainless steel industry. Friend is buying 201 grade steel (very common, basic grade) from a factory in Jiangsu. He asks me to ins pect. Alright. I go to the factory, they assure me that they can produce within the required specification (tolerance of -0.25mm for thickness, aka 1/4 cm, the steel was 30mm in thickness so it had to be 29.75 or above to be within standard) and normal ASTM/AISI (standard international grade) chemistry, well alright my friend's buying this so I guess they're legit nope >I inspect the goods, thickness if all over the fucking place from 28.5mm-29.5mm, I confront them about the thickness and their claims that they could produce to standard 'oh anon because ASTM is an American grade we were obviously talking about inches, our mill only works in inches so we were talking about 1/4 an inch' >lying through their fucking teeth, literally everyone else who wasn't part of the company backs me up saying that they were talking about mm, factory denies it check chemistry nickel content is less than 1/5 of what it's suppos ed to be on some sheets, chemistry is all over the fucking place, almost nothing is to standard oh anon, this is 201 industry standard* steel, your friend should have specified that he wanted 201 international standard* steel cont, this is going to be long, I have several. Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)16:20:53 No.828273 828293 >>828296 >828316 禄828397 828571832485 >>828249 >there's only one 201 grade you fucking idiot, if you produce 'industry standard' 201 then you mark it as such like everyone else in the fucking industry you don't just call it '201' grade steel, you're literally committing fraud >so sue us, the order's only worth~$30,000, enjoy spending more on legal fees than you'l get from us ) >later was arguing with he production staff at their office, showed them the fucking American standard that said 'hey you're wrong on the thickness, you have to refund the money' >one of the staff got into an argument with me over the meaning of 'up to', i.e. she thought 'up to 30' meant 'starting at 30 and over, rather than everything up to 30 no anon, your English is too poor to understand this >English is my native language you stupid cunt you can barely string two sentences together He didn't get his money back and didn't sue. Example 2: >same 201 steel order, hire a Russian company to do shipping since it's being shipped to Moscow, want everything to be seamless, no chance at fuckups our contract with the Russian company specifically states that they will take care of the packaging, because in addition to the steel being off standard it was also produced late, so it has to go on a high speed train to avoid being late; the high speed train has very specific packing requirements for steel, so we thought the Russians could handle it >day of shipment comes (a Saturday), all documents in place, should be fine Saturday from the Chinese sub-contractor that the Russians hired to do the Chines e leg of the journey >get a call "hey so the goods didn't leave on Saturday." >"Why. >"Because the factory didn't package them." >"WE HIRED YOU TO PACKAGE THE GOODS YOU INCOMPETENT FUCK" "Oh. Well, there aren't any forklifts in the area that can handle weights as heavy as this" >".you're literally surrounded by warehouses, many of which stock stainless steel. Please explain how you are unable to find a forklift. cont Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)16:32: 59 No. 828316 File: FUCKING ipg (14 KB, 236x351) 828338 >禄828397 >禄828571 >禄832282 >禄837828 >828273 >"Well, we just can't find one. You have to find one." >I ended up doing their job for them and finding them a forklift. Goods arrived a week late because the train only leaves once per week, friend lost even more money because he had to give additional discounts to his client. LUCKILY, the Chinese 201 grade happened to be the same as Russian local 'industry standard' 201 steel (I guess some shared Soviet thing?), so he didn't lose all of his money, only about 20%+ Sigh Example ordering goods from a large state-owned mill, purchase through a company that came recommended by the sales manager (you have to do this in order to take advantage of the export tax rebate that China has) we purchase, everything goes smoothly except for a small crisis the order, so we had to negotiate with the sales manager and company late into the night to bring things down to $2800/ton, plus increase the price to our end customer (they weren't happy) >this happens extremely often in China; they quote one thing then jack up the price after your client has signed the contract with you, knowing you can't back out or you'll lose reputation and possibly money >March comes around, goods are produced on time, sales manager assures us that the goods will be in Tianjin Xingang port on March 9th at the latest, we'll then package the goods and have them ready for shipment on the 16th >March 5th rolls around the start, where the company quoted $2600/ton, but when ordering time came around the goods jumped to $3000/ton, meaning we would have lost money on >'Hey guys, how're the good doing? Still on the train?' >'No, they haven't left yet. >'What >'Don't worry, we can still put them on a fast train to port, it'll take 3-4 days or so, you'll be fine. 'Alright, whatever, just make sure we're there in time for the March 16th shipment date. >'Yes, yes, of course March 9th comes around >'Hey guys, where are the goods? Already in Tianjin? >'Well, they haven't left yet. cont Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)16:40:30 No.828338 828358828397 禄828571 禄832485 828316 >After I'm done having an aneurysm, I call the mill's transport office and immediately have them cancel the train booking and instead put the goods on trucks and truck them straight to the port Goods arrive. Tianjin port is a bit funky, they have a government bureau which packages the goods, you can't package the goods once they're within port, it's like one giant bonded warehouse Company assures us that the goods will be packed according to specifications (going on Russian train system, they have special requirements) >alright, cool Confirm with them that the goods are alright about 4 days before the s hipping date, they've confirmed that the Russian shipping company has okayed the packaging job, I receive photos of the job, forward them on to the Russian company >Alright, cool >Day before shipment, I get a message from the Russian shipping company 'Hey, we've been trying to get in contact with the Chinese company for a week, we've had no response, the packaging job isn't correct, there's no way the Russian train service will accept the goods Trying to fight back another aneurysm >immediately get in contact with the Chinese company, ask them who exactly told them that the packaging job was ok >some fucking Chinese subcontractor who had no authority to do so GOD FUCKING DAMNIT ask the Chinese why they didn't get in contact with the Russian shipping company, the company had sent them numerous messages over the past week 'oh well we were talking to you so we thought we didn't have to respond >long story short, the packaging job was shit, the coils we were shipping (10,000+lbs each) moved during shipment because of the shit job and damaged the container, we were delayed by one month in Vladivostok port while they fixed the container and redid the packaging, also had to pay all additional fees Chinese company refused to compens ate us It was at this point that I completely stopped trusting the Chinese in any way, shape or form cont 828338 Example 4: This happened when the company was still new and just started working in China. >Had another deal, we were buying common grade steel to be exported >ok cool, everything's in order, no problems thus far >We have an ins pector in China to check the goods >He apparently goes to the guy's warehouse in Tianjin and checks up on things, says the seller is legit, he even managed to negotiate a 2% discount, we trust him and go through with the deal No problems with import/export, the steel arrives at its destination in Russia, lo and behold the steel is not what we ordered at all, we ordered 304 and 321 steel, what we received was some sort of fucking 201 failed abortion shit, manganese through the roof, low nickel content, low chromium content, completely out of standard what in the fuck? >ask inspector what exactly he did, again, in detail >he just went to the guy's company office, they chatted for a while, Chinese guy served him some tea, negotiated a 2% discount and then left quite pleased with himself never visited the warehouse, never saw the goods in person, never even fucking checked the mill certificate to see if the goods were genuine >fire him on the spot, never happening again >I go in person to meet with the fraud, also contact our lawyers in China >The fraud agrees to a refund only if we send the steel back to his warehouse in China and he has his inspectors look at it and say whether or not it's his yeah, okay, sure, great idea 10/10, fucking hell >i suggest instead that he send a guy to Russia to look at the steel and figure it out >'No, he's a peasant, he's too afraid to go overseas. >I'm going to fucking strangle our recently-fired inspector >Have our lawyers look into the case Fun fun fun: if a Chinese guy commits fraud and sends you the wrong goods, it's not a criminal offense, only a civil offense your only recourse is to sue the company >look into the company's finances cont Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)16:58:35 No.828384 ile: CHINESE ipg (79 KB, 501x870) 828390 828396 禄828397 >禄828405 禄禄828413 828571 禄829244 >禄832485 >禄835522 禄禄837828 828358 1m RMB registered capital, almost 100% assured that he's moved it out of the account by now since it does >decide not to sue him because we'd be spending so much money on legal fees with almost 0 chance of getting any money back The Chinese legal system is extremely weak. If you order say $100,000 worth of goods from someone and they literally send you trash that SEMI-resembles the goods that's worth maybe $1,000, there are almost no penalties. They will not got to jail, they will not be penalized in any way, they will simply declare their company bankrupt and start a new one. Companies like this pop up all the time like mushrooms after rain; you should never, ever, ever, ever, ever buy from Alibaba for this reason. Seriously though, a contract is hardly worth the paper it's printed on, if you do business in China you should ALWAYS have the juris diction be under a neutral law, like the UK or Singapore or whatever, also make sure that you never pay much in advance, and only pay the balance AFTER inspection and AFTER any goods you buy are either sealed or put into a bonded warehouse. Example 5 This happened long after I realized the Chinese were turbo-Jews on steroids: >have a Russian client who constantly sends price inquiries over to our company, we constantly give him prices >'No no no anon, these prices are too high, I can find better prices elsewhere >What the fuck are you talking about these prices are very far below market level, literally 10%-20% undercutting the Russian market >'No anon, you see I can find better prices >'Okay. Good luck. Russian friend purchases from some really fucking shady characters >I strongly, STRONGLY advise him not to do this or at least let me check the mill certificates for him He thinks I'm trying to steal his sources or Russian clients Hey man, whatever, you do you. Good luck >He calls me a month or so later begging me to source his steel for him 88431828439>828571>828745 禄832485833261>禄837828 Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)17:08:44 No.828413 File: FILTH ipg (44 KB, 316x641) 828384 >turns out, all these amazing prices he was getting were from. >.surprise, s urprise, frauds >he orders -$200,000 from these guys, he has inspectors in China who inspect everything, it looks goods >but, his inspectors left the shipping container in the dealer's warehouse, unlocked, for 2 days before shipping it to port when the goods arrived in Russia, the top steel sheet was all according to grade, but everything else was just common carbon steel, and rusty at that >he ended up los ing almost everything, he was able to resell the scrap for maybe $20,000 total >feel kind of bad for him, but at the same time he refused all help and completely ignored my advice, so w/e He was very apologetic afterwards though, I'm helping him again to avoid getting fucked by the goddamn Chinese thieves. Anyway, non-business related examples: out at a club with a few friends, we're hanging around outside,, as we're talking a guy about 30 feet to the left of us collapses and starts seizing Guess someone spiked his drink or something? l don't know never bring my cell phone with my when I go clubbing, fuck run over the a small police station about 100 yards away >Please call an ambulance, there's a guy having a seizure over there, he needs help!" >'no. >'What the fuck why not? >'It's not my job." >' Eventually one of the other clubbers called an ambulance for the guy, but still, what the fuck? Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)17:20:36 No.828439 >禄828466 >828510 >>828571 840173 828413 >Roommate extremely sick, delirious with fever, can't stand up or walk, have to take him to the hospital Call up my landlady, ask her if she can call a cab for us (gated community) 'No. >'Why not? >Point to the part of the contract where it says I have to hire cabs for you. >Jesus fucking christ, whatever Throw my roommate on my back, carry him out to the street, hire a cab to the nearest hospital >Arrive in hospital, we wait in line behind this old woman while she's chatting with the doctor about some day-to-day bullshit Friend is literally about to vomit all over the floor, can you hurry this up? >'Nope:A) Christ's sake >Wait 5 minutes for them to finish their chit-chat (again, I understand/speak Chinese, they were talking about banal bullshit, about the lady's grands on and sports), the old lady takes the pills and walks off >Doctor attends to my friend Has to get him to piss in a cup and everything Have to help him piss in a cup and do all the tests and whatever >All of a sudden, as I'm waiting for a test result in the doctor's office, nurse bursts through the door, asking if I'm someone's 'countryman' >though she was talking about my roommate, I say 'No he's Canadian, I'm American." >she grabs my arm and pulls me into the main hall of the clinic Some tall white guy is stumbling around, blood caked all over his head, probably just been hit by a car, he's completely out of it surrounded by a bunch of Chinese doctors and nurses and keep shouting at him in Chinese to sit down so they can run tests on him >He obviously has a head injury, why the fuck do you think it's a good idea to surround him and yell at him in a foreign language? Whatever. They think that I speak his language cause we're both white >I go over to him, he keeps getting back up after the Chinese doctors force him to sit down, eventually I just walk with him and we both take a seat near the wall, I talk with him to calm him down, find out he's from Sweden 828439 >the Chinese call an ambulance for the Swedish guy to take him to a larger hospital (Beijing Uni hospital) >they ask me to be his translator >yeah sure it's not like my friend is dying in the fucking waiting room >i call a Russian friend to come take care of my roommate, after the Russian friend arrives I go in the ambulance with the Swedish quy >they do all kinds of tests, hospital only accepts cash, by the time the doctor gives us the results I have maybe 80 yuan in my wallet left (spent 800+ on tests) 828521828526 禄828571830120830720 Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)17:38:42 No.828504 File: 12371312 jpg (179 KB, 794x794) 828466 >To the Swedish guy: "So, our test results show that you are bleeding into your skull as a result of what we assume is you being hit by a car. We would like to keep you in the observation ward overnight, so if anything happens we can respond immediately. Again, your wound could easily be fatal. me: 'alright, but I only have about 80 yuan, do you guys take cards at all? >No. Here, let me patch you up, you guys can go. >'What? I thought you said that this could be fatal. >'Yes, it COULD be fatal, but isn't necessarily fatal, let me clean and bandage up his head so you guys can head out. >literally lost all interest whatsoever in caring for the Swedish guy once he learned I was out of cash, refused to do delayed payment or anything like that, I had to pay up front in cash if I wanted to put the guy in the observation ward for the night mfw Jesus fucking christ. In retrospect, I should have called the Swedish embassy the first time I figured out the guy was Swedish so that he could have received proper care, but still. This was by far my most fucked up experience in China, that urgent medical care was refused because I didn't have cash on hand ready to pay. It was completely fucked up. This, of course, is aside from the fact that both my friend and the Swedish guy were made to queue up every time behind people with minor injuries and coughs while one was about to fall over and pass out on the floor while the other was bleeding profusely from his head. It was so completely fucked up Anyway, I got a cab back home with the Swedish quy, the Swedish quy promised he'd take me out to dinner and pay me back for the medical expenses, but I never received a call after that night. After I didn't receive any call, I remember checking news articles in the weeks following to see if there were any reports of a Swedish guy dying in Beijing, but I didn't see anything. I hope he's alright Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)17:45:52 No.828526 File: 1453454498022. png (307 KB, 412x493) 828533828553 >禄828571 >828504 And one more example of Chinese dickery for tonight, there are a thous and other stories I could tell about this shit both business-wise and everywhere else, but I'll just work myself up if I do that >have a few friends who want to go to a nice place for the weekend, to a theme park that's a ways away from the city >friend contacts a travel agency >really fucking good prices, 250 yuan for the weekend >fuck yeah, nice we get on the bus, go to the theme park >long story short, the 250 yuan included: bus tickets. The advertisement and company both confirmed that the 250 yuan was for all expenses for the entire weekend but neglected to mention that those expens es were only those relating to the bus, not even joking what the 250 yuan didn't include >hotels >food >actually going into the theme park i.e. paying the entrance ticket >doing things inside the theme park, all of which costed additional $5$ >transportation to and from the theme park + hotel >also had to pay additional money for wifi inside the hotel >by the end of the weekend, the entire thing ended up costing about 2000 yuan per person >travel company also had mandatory shopping outings at affiliated shops along the route, we all had to stop and hang out in the story for 15 minutes or so But hey, good luck getting the company to change its advertising. No one gives a shit in China, after all,- You get what you pay for, and even if they lie to your face about every single detail of the trip, the Chinese don't give a fuck because if you don't pay a lot of money then why should you expect them to hold up their end of the bargain? You get what you pay for. Sigh I can't wait to leave this place and go to Japan/Singapore. Seriously, I have the absolute utmost respect for Japan/Korea/Taiwan/Singapore now that I've seen how shit China is. They really did a bang-up job Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)17:58:44 No.828571 File: 1456853668568.jpg (38 KB, 310x310) 828616 >禄828632 >禄828771828862>828932829005829244禄829465 >禄829662 >禄829963 禄830084 >禄832952833254 >827861 >828249 828273 >828316 >>828338 828358 >>828384 >828413 >>828439 >828466 828504 >828526 To sum all this up: Do not learn Mandarin. Learn something else that will enrich your life and take it in a direction that you want to go. I'm no going to lie, Mandarin HAS made me worth more money. Westerners who can competently speak Mandarin are in rather short supply and they are considered far more reliable than the Chinese for obvious reasons. However, you really want to think about where the language is going to take you, and the answer every single time will be mainland China. Because let's face it, no one else speaks Mandarin except for mainland China and MAYBE Singapore, but they speak English over there as well. If you learn Mandarin, you will be forced to deal with these people on a daily basis. Please trust me when I say that you really, really don't want to do that. In retrospect, I would much rather have learned Russian or Japanese. If I had a time machine, 脥 would go back to my first year of uni and fucking slap myself and force myself to sign up for Japanese courses instead. It's too late for me now, though. I speak Mandarin, and any company that figures that out will sure as hell be sending me to China so that such a skill doesn't go to waste It's not fucking worth it guys, please please PLEASE learn something else, something that will make you happy. Don't just think in terms of salary, think in terms of quality of life and personal satisfaction. China will kill you inside, I absolutely guarantee it. I have yet to meet the man who comes to China, does business here, and comes out a happier and more balanced human being. It just doesn't happen. I know several people who have been working in China for 20 or 30+ years. All of them hate China and have a strong dislike for any work involving the Chinese. There is a reason China has a huge problem with students going overseas to the West and never coming home Please don't learn Mandarin. 禄828806 禄828900 Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)18:38:13 No.828742 828698 People generally don't understand how differently China works from Western countries. They'll expect people to honor their agreements as they would in the West. Also, consider the following: Your average yearly wage in China is just under $10,000. Let's say you're a trading company and with the advent of the internet you can easily market your business and issue quotes. Let's say that you get only two suckers every year, and you fuck them out of $50,000 each (small amount, that's one container of moderately priced steel). Congratulations, you just made 10x the average annual salary with almost zero repercussions. You're now a rich man in China. You could do deals with these guys, but if you supply them the proper price for the steel, you might make MAYBE $1000-2000/container for stainless steel (and that's a pretty high margin for pricing without organising shipping normal margins are 1-2% for that kind of job). If that guy is a small buyer and only buys two containers per year, you're going to have to wait decades to get the same amount of profit as you would just straight up fucking the guy. China is a conman's dream, lots of potential customers flooding in from all over the world looking for cheap steel that you can fuck with very little legal repercussions Anonymous 03/14/16(Mon)14:57:47 No.832896 >832485 Well, the thing is that you can find good quality, it's just that big mills (the reliable ones) only produce in certain order lots, and most of the times those order lots are out of reach for smaller traders. For example, if you're trying to buy Bao stainless steel and you're an ordinary trader without guanxi, you have to buy a minimum of 200 tons at I think 20 tons per dimension, i.e. if you want 2mm*1000* 2000 sheets, you have to buy 20 tons, you can't just buy 5 or 6. Problem is, that makes your order lot a minimum of $200,000, more likely in the $350,000 pushing $400,000+ depending on the grade, which is simply out of reach for smaller traders. Thus, most guys have to turn to Chinese traders who stock this stuff, and that's where you start running into the con men. 832505 I'm not a bad businessman otherwise I wouldn't be in business still. Since those early encounters we've more than made up for our losses and turn quite a bit in revenue every quarter. The examples I gave were growing pains of doing business in China, and this was with having connections in China. Unfortunately, the connections I had were only somewhat connected to the steel business i.e. they were manufacturers who often bought steel, and while I avoided a lot of shit on their advice, the steel industry is just filled with a LOT more cheats than one would expect especially when it comes to sheets and coils, which are easier to produce. I mean, the Russian guy who got cheated was a veteran in the steel industry, he's one of the largest traders in Russia and has been doing this for going on 25 years, his father was in the business as well after the USSR broke up. Russia also isn't exactly known for being an easy market, but even he still got fucked by the Chinese. In fact, every single one of our clients was defrauded at one point or another, most los ing $50,000, some losing more than $1m because people don't understand how different China is from Western countries Anon doesn鈥檛 like doing business with Chinese companies
apologetic: Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)14:22:03 No.827861
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 >828204 828417828571832505 禄833102
 >826340
 DO NOT
 LEARN
 MANDARIN
 DO NOT DO IT
 YOU WILL FOREVER HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CHINESE, TRUST ME YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT
 PLEASE MAN DON'T DO IT, THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS MANDARIN AND LIVES IN CHINA YOU DON'T WANT THIS
 LEARN JAPANESE OR RUSSIAN INSTEAD, TRUST ME, PLEASE DO NOT LEARN MANDARIN IT WILL FUCK UP YOUR LIFE BECAUSE NO BOSS IS GOING TO BE LIKE 'oh he has a degree in Mandarin and speaks
 it really well, let's just have him not involved in any way whatsoever with China'.
 The Chinese are absolute shit, they are the worst human beings that I have ever encountered on this planet, and I am EXTREMELY well traveled, including many shithole countries. Don't do it man, please take my advice,
 learn Japanese or Russian or some shit instead, do NOT learn Mandarin
 You won't realize the truth in what I'm saying until you're already here, but by then it'll be too late. Don't do it man, please, help me help you, learn something else!
 828273 >>828285828397>828542828571832485 832737840123
 Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)16:13:48 No.828249
 828204
 Business related:
 >constant dickery, backstabbing, underhandedness
 >if they can lie, cheat, or steal, they will.
 constantly have to deal with cheats and thieves, the Chinese will rarely outright steal something from you, but they will never give you what you want for the money you spend, unless you spend a large sum of money; the
 Chinese even have a saying about this, -,- It's basically expected that if you pay a low price for something you'll get scrap, even if it's supposed to adhere to a strict standard
 Example 1:
 >I work in the stainless steel industry. Friend is buying 201 grade steel (very common, basic grade) from a factory in Jiangsu. He asks me to ins pect. Alright. I go to the factory, they assure me that they can produce within the
 required specification (tolerance of -0.25mm for thickness, aka 1/4 cm, the steel was 30mm in thickness so it had to be 29.75 or above to be within standard) and normal ASTM/AISI (standard international grade) chemistry, well
 alright my friend's buying this so I guess they're legit
 nope
 >I inspect the goods, thickness if all over the fucking place from 28.5mm-29.5mm, I confront them about the thickness and their claims that they could produce to standard
 'oh anon because ASTM is an American grade we were obviously talking about inches, our mill only works in inches so we were talking about 1/4 an inch'
 >lying through their fucking teeth, literally everyone else who wasn't part of the company backs me up saying that they were talking about mm, factory denies it
 check chemistry
 nickel content is less than 1/5 of what it's suppos ed to be on some sheets, chemistry is all over the fucking place, almost nothing is to standard
 oh anon, this is 201 industry standard* steel, your friend should have specified that he wanted 201 international standard* steel
 cont, this is going to be long, I have several.
 Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)16:20:53 No.828273
 828293 >>828296 >828316 禄828397 828571832485
 >>828249
 >there's only one 201 grade you fucking idiot, if you produce 'industry standard' 201 then you mark it as such like everyone else in the fucking industry you don't just call it '201' grade steel, you're literally committing fraud
 >so sue us, the order's only worth~$30,000, enjoy spending more on legal fees than you'l get from us )
 >later was arguing with he production staff at their office, showed them the fucking American standard that said 'hey you're wrong on the thickness, you have to refund the money'
 >one of the staff got into an argument with me over the meaning of 'up to', i.e. she thought 'up to 30' meant 'starting at 30 and over, rather than everything up to 30
 no anon, your English is too poor to understand this
 >English is my native language you stupid cunt you can barely string two sentences together
 He didn't get his money back and didn't sue.
 Example 2:
 >same 201 steel order, hire a Russian company to do shipping since it's being shipped to Moscow, want everything to be seamless, no chance at fuckups
 our contract with the Russian company specifically states that they will take care of the packaging, because in addition to the steel being off standard it was also produced late, so it has to go on a high speed train to avoid
 being late; the high speed train has very specific packing requirements for steel, so we thought the Russians could handle it
 >day of shipment comes (a Saturday), all documents in place, should be fine
 Saturday from the Chinese sub-contractor that the Russians hired to do the Chines e leg of the journey
 >get a call
 "hey so the goods didn't leave on Saturday."
 >"Why.
 >"Because the factory didn't package them."
 >"WE HIRED YOU TO PACKAGE THE GOODS YOU INCOMPETENT FUCK"
 "Oh. Well, there aren't any forklifts in the area that can handle weights as heavy as this"
 >".you're literally surrounded by warehouses, many of which stock stainless steel. Please explain how you are unable to find a forklift.
 cont
 Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)16:32: 59 No. 828316
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 >"Well, we just can't find one. You have to find one."
 >I ended up doing their job for them and finding them a forklift. Goods arrived a week late because the train only leaves once per week, friend lost even more money because he had to give additional discounts to
 his client. LUCKILY, the Chinese 201 grade happened to be the same as Russian local 'industry standard' 201 steel (I guess some shared Soviet thing?), so he didn't lose all of his money, only about 20%+
 Sigh
 Example
 ordering goods from a large state-owned mill, purchase through a company that came recommended by the sales manager (you have to do this in order to take advantage of the export tax rebate that China has)
 we purchase, everything goes smoothly except for a small crisis
 the order, so we had to negotiate with the sales manager and company late into the night to bring things down to $2800/ton, plus increase the price to our end customer (they weren't happy)
 >this happens extremely often in China; they quote one thing then jack up the price after your client has signed the contract with you, knowing you can't back out or you'll lose reputation and possibly money
 >March comes around, goods are produced on time, sales manager assures us that the goods will be in Tianjin Xingang port on March 9th at the latest, we'll then package the goods and have them ready for shipment on the
 16th
 >March 5th rolls around
 the start, where the company quoted $2600/ton, but when ordering time came around the goods jumped to $3000/ton, meaning we would have lost money on
 >'Hey guys, how're the good doing? Still on the train?'
 >'No, they haven't left yet.
 >'What
 >'Don't worry, we can still put them on a fast train to port, it'll take 3-4 days or so, you'll be fine.
 'Alright, whatever, just make sure we're there in time for the March 16th shipment date.
 >'Yes, yes, of course
 March 9th comes around
 >'Hey guys, where are the goods? Already in Tianjin?
 >'Well, they haven't left yet.
 cont
 Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)16:40:30 No.828338 828358828397 禄828571 禄832485
 828316
 >After I'm done having an aneurysm, I call the mill's transport office and immediately have them cancel the train booking and instead put the goods on trucks and truck them straight to the port
 Goods arrive. Tianjin port is a bit funky, they have a government bureau which packages the goods, you can't package the goods once they're within port, it's like one giant bonded warehouse
 Company assures us that the goods will be packed according to specifications (going on Russian train system, they have special requirements)
 >alright, cool
 Confirm with them that the goods are alright about 4 days before the s hipping date, they've confirmed that the Russian shipping company has okayed the packaging job, I receive photos of the job, forward them on to the
 Russian company
 >Alright, cool
 >Day before shipment, I get a message from the Russian shipping company
 'Hey, we've been trying to get in contact with the Chinese company for a week, we've had no response, the packaging job isn't correct, there's no way the Russian train service will accept the goods
 Trying to fight back another aneurysm
 >immediately get in contact with the Chinese company, ask them who exactly told them that the packaging job was ok
 >some fucking Chinese subcontractor who had no authority to do so
 GOD FUCKING DAMNIT
 ask the Chinese why they didn't get in contact with the Russian shipping company, the company had sent them numerous messages over the past week
 'oh well we were talking to you so we thought we didn't have to respond
 >long story short, the packaging job was shit, the coils we were shipping (10,000+lbs each) moved during shipment because of the shit job and damaged the container, we were delayed by one month in Vladivostok port while
 they fixed the container and redid the packaging, also had to pay all additional fees
 Chinese company refused to compens ate us
 It was at this point that I completely stopped trusting the Chinese in any way, shape or form
 cont
 828338
 Example 4:
 This happened when the company was still new and just started working in China.
 >Had another deal, we were buying common grade steel to be exported
 >ok cool, everything's in order, no problems thus far
 >We have an ins pector in China to check the goods
 >He apparently goes to the guy's warehouse in Tianjin and checks up on things, says the seller is legit, he even managed to negotiate a 2% discount, we trust him and go through with the deal
 No problems with import/export, the steel arrives at its destination in Russia, lo and behold the steel is not what we ordered at all, we ordered 304 and 321 steel, what we received was some sort of fucking 201 failed abortion
 shit, manganese through the roof, low nickel content, low chromium content, completely out of standard
 what in the fuck?
 >ask inspector what exactly he did, again, in detail
 >he just went to the guy's company office, they chatted for a while, Chinese guy served him some tea, negotiated a 2% discount and then left quite pleased with himself
 never visited the warehouse, never saw the goods in person, never even fucking checked the mill certificate to see if the goods were genuine
 >fire him on the spot, never happening again
 >I go in person to meet with the fraud, also contact our lawyers in China
 >The fraud agrees to a refund only if we send the steel back to his warehouse in China and he has his inspectors look at it and say whether or not it's his
 yeah, okay, sure, great idea 10/10, fucking hell
 >i suggest instead that he send a guy to Russia to look at the steel and figure it out
 >'No, he's a peasant, he's too afraid to go overseas.
 >I'm going to fucking strangle our recently-fired inspector
 >Have our lawyers look into the case
 Fun fun fun: if a Chinese guy commits fraud and sends you the wrong goods, it's not a criminal offense, only a civil offense
 your only recourse is to sue the company
 >look into the company's finances
 cont
 Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)16:58:35 No.828384
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 1m RMB registered capital, almost 100% assured that he's moved it out of the account by now since it does
 >decide not to sue him because we'd be spending so much money on legal fees with almost 0 chance of getting any money back
 The Chinese legal system is extremely weak. If you order say $100,000 worth of goods from someone and they literally send you trash that SEMI-resembles the goods that's worth maybe $1,000, there are almost
 no penalties. They will not got to jail, they will not be penalized in any way, they will simply declare their company bankrupt and start a new one. Companies like this pop up all the time like mushrooms after rain;
 you should never, ever, ever, ever, ever buy from Alibaba for this reason. Seriously though, a contract is hardly worth the paper it's printed on, if you do business in China you should ALWAYS have the juris diction
 be under a neutral law, like the UK or Singapore or whatever, also make sure that you never pay much in advance, and only pay the balance AFTER inspection and AFTER any goods you buy are either sealed or
 put into a bonded warehouse.
 Example 5
 This happened long after I realized the Chinese were turbo-Jews on steroids:
 >have a Russian client who constantly sends price inquiries over to our company, we constantly give him prices
 >'No no no anon, these prices are too high, I can find better prices elsewhere
 >What the fuck are you talking about these prices are very far below market level, literally 10%-20% undercutting the Russian market
 >'No anon, you see I can find better prices
 >'Okay. Good luck.
 Russian friend purchases from some really fucking shady characters
 >I strongly, STRONGLY advise him not to do this or at least let me check the mill certificates for him
 He thinks I'm trying to steal his sources or Russian clients
 Hey man, whatever, you do you. Good luck
 >He calls me a month or so later begging me to source his steel for him
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 Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)17:08:44 No.828413
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 >turns out, all these amazing prices he was getting were from.
 >.surprise, s urprise, frauds
 >he orders -$200,000 from these guys, he has inspectors in China who inspect everything, it looks goods
 >but, his inspectors left the shipping container in the dealer's warehouse, unlocked, for 2 days before shipping it to port
 when the goods arrived in Russia, the top steel sheet was all according to grade, but everything else was just common carbon steel, and
 rusty at that
 >he ended up los ing almost everything, he was able to resell the scrap for maybe $20,000 total
 >feel kind of bad for him, but at the same time he refused all help and completely ignored my advice, so w/e
 He was very apologetic afterwards though, I'm helping him again to avoid getting fucked by the goddamn Chinese thieves.
 Anyway, non-business related examples:
 out at a club with a few friends, we're hanging around outside,, as we're talking a guy about 30 feet to the left of us collapses and starts seizing
 Guess someone spiked his drink or something? l don't know
 never bring my cell phone with my when I go clubbing, fuck
 run over the a small police station about 100 yards away
 >Please call an ambulance, there's a guy having a seizure over there, he needs help!"
 >'no.
 >'What the fuck why not?
 >'It's not my job."
 >'
 Eventually one of the other clubbers called an ambulance for the guy, but still, what the fuck?
 Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)17:20:36 No.828439
 >禄828466 >828510 >>828571 840173
 828413
 >Roommate extremely sick, delirious with fever, can't stand up or walk, have to take him to the hospital
 Call up my landlady, ask her if she can call a cab for us (gated community)
 'No.
 >'Why not?
 >Point to the part of the contract where it says I have to hire cabs for you.
 >Jesus fucking christ, whatever
 Throw my roommate on my back, carry him out to the street, hire a cab to the nearest hospital
 >Arrive in hospital, we wait in line behind this old woman while she's chatting with the doctor about some day-to-day bullshit
 Friend is literally about to vomit all over the floor, can you hurry this up?
 >'Nope:A)
 Christ's sake
 >Wait 5 minutes for them to finish their chit-chat (again, I understand/speak Chinese, they were talking about banal bullshit, about the lady's grands on and sports), the old lady takes the pills and walks off
 >Doctor attends to my friend
 Has to get him to piss in a cup and everything
 Have to help him piss in a cup and do all the tests and whatever
 >All of a sudden, as I'm waiting for a test result in the doctor's office, nurse bursts through the door, asking if I'm someone's 'countryman'
 >though she was talking about my roommate, I say 'No he's Canadian, I'm American."
 >she grabs my arm and pulls me into the main hall of the clinic
 Some tall white guy is stumbling around, blood caked all over his head, probably just been hit by a car, he's completely out of it
 surrounded by a bunch of Chinese doctors and nurses and keep shouting at him in Chinese to sit down so they can run tests on him
 >He obviously has a head injury, why the fuck do you think it's a good idea to surround him and yell at him in a foreign language?
 Whatever. They think that I speak his language cause we're both white
 >I go over to him, he keeps getting back up after the Chinese doctors force him to sit down, eventually I just walk with him and we both take a seat near the wall, I talk with him to calm him down, find out he's from Sweden
 828439
 >the Chinese call an ambulance for the Swedish guy to take him to a larger hospital (Beijing Uni hospital)
 >they ask me to be his translator
 >yeah sure it's not like my friend is dying in the fucking waiting room
 >i call a Russian friend to come take care of my roommate, after the Russian friend arrives I go in the ambulance with the Swedish quy
 >they do all kinds of tests, hospital only accepts cash, by the time the doctor gives us the results I have maybe 80 yuan in my wallet left (spent 800+ on tests)
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 Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)17:38:42 No.828504
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 >To the Swedish guy: "So, our test results show that you are bleeding into your skull as a result of what we assume is you being hit by a car. We would like to keep you in the observation ward overnight,
 so if anything happens we can respond immediately. Again, your wound could easily be fatal.
 me: 'alright, but I only have about 80 yuan, do you guys take cards at all?
 >No. Here, let me patch you up, you guys can go.
 >'What? I thought you said that this could be fatal.
 >'Yes, it COULD be fatal, but isn't necessarily fatal, let me clean and bandage up his head so you guys can head out.
 >literally lost all interest whatsoever in caring for the Swedish guy once he learned I was out of cash, refused to do delayed payment or anything like that, I had to pay up front in cash if I wanted to put the guy in the observation
 ward for the night
 mfw
 Jesus fucking christ. In retrospect, I should have called the Swedish embassy the first time I figured out the guy was Swedish so that he could have received proper care, but still. This was by far my most fucked up experience
 in China, that urgent medical care was refused because I didn't have cash on hand ready to pay. It was completely fucked up. This, of course, is aside from the fact that both my friend and the Swedish guy were made to queue
 up every time behind people with minor injuries and coughs while one was about to fall over and pass out on the floor while the other was bleeding profusely from his head. It was so completely fucked up
 Anyway, I got a cab back home with the Swedish quy, the Swedish quy promised he'd take me out to dinner and pay me back for the medical expenses, but I never received a call after that night. After I didn't receive any call, I
 remember checking news articles in the weeks following to see if there were any reports of a Swedish guy dying in Beijing, but I didn't see anything. I hope he's alright
 Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)17:45:52 No.828526
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 >828504
 And one more example of Chinese dickery for tonight, there are a thous and other stories I could tell about this shit both business-wise and everywhere else, but I'll just work myself up if I do that
 >have a few friends who want to go to a nice place for the weekend, to a theme park that's a ways away from the city
 >friend contacts a travel agency
 >really fucking good prices, 250 yuan for the weekend
 >fuck yeah, nice
 we get on the bus, go to the theme park
 >long story short, the 250 yuan included: bus tickets. The advertisement and company both confirmed that the 250 yuan was for all expenses for the entire weekend but neglected to mention that those expens es were only
 those relating to the bus, not even joking
 what the 250 yuan didn't include
 >hotels
 >food
 >actually going into the theme park i.e. paying the entrance ticket
 >doing things inside the theme park, all of which costed additional $5$
 >transportation to and from the theme park + hotel
 >also had to pay additional money for wifi inside the hotel
 >by the end of the weekend, the entire thing ended up costing about 2000 yuan per person
 >travel company also had mandatory shopping outings at affiliated shops along the route, we all had to stop and hang out in the story for 15 minutes or so
 But hey, good luck getting the company to change its advertising. No one gives a shit in China, after all,- You get what you pay for, and even if they lie to your face about every single detail of the trip, the Chinese
 don't give a fuck because if you don't pay a lot of money then why should you expect them to hold up their end of the bargain? You get what you pay for.
 Sigh
 I can't wait to leave this place and go to Japan/Singapore. Seriously, I have the absolute utmost respect for Japan/Korea/Taiwan/Singapore now that I've seen how shit China is. They really did a bang-up job
 Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)17:58:44 No.828571
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 >828526
 To sum all this up:
 Do not learn Mandarin. Learn something else that will enrich your life and take it in a direction that you want to go. I'm no going to lie, Mandarin HAS made me worth more money. Westerners who can competently speak
 Mandarin are in rather short supply and they are considered far more reliable than the Chinese for obvious reasons. However, you really want to think about where the language is going to take you, and the answer every single
 time will be mainland China. Because let's face it, no one else speaks Mandarin except for mainland China and MAYBE Singapore, but they speak English over there as well.
 If you learn Mandarin, you will be forced to deal with these people on a daily basis. Please trust me when I say that you really, really don't want to do that. In retrospect, I would much rather have learned Russian or Japanese. If
 I had a time machine, 脥 would go back to my first year of uni and fucking slap myself and force myself to sign up for Japanese courses instead. It's too late for me now, though. I speak Mandarin, and any company that figures
 that out will sure as hell be sending me to China so that such a skill doesn't go to waste
 It's not fucking worth it guys, please please PLEASE learn something else, something that will make you happy. Don't just think in terms of salary, think in terms of quality of life and personal satisfaction. China will kill you
 inside, I absolutely guarantee it. I have yet to meet the man who comes to China, does business here, and comes out a happier and more balanced human being. It just doesn't happen. I know several people who have been
 working in China for 20 or 30+ years. All of them hate China and have a strong dislike for any work involving the Chinese. There is a reason China has a huge problem with students going overseas to the West and never
 coming home
 Please don't learn Mandarin.
 禄828806 禄828900
 Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)18:38:13 No.828742
 828698
 People generally don't understand how differently China works from Western countries. They'll expect people to honor their agreements as they would in the West. Also, consider the following:
 Your average yearly wage in China is just under $10,000. Let's say you're a trading company and with the advent of the internet you can easily market your business and issue quotes. Let's say that you get only two suckers
 every year, and you fuck them out of $50,000 each (small amount, that's one container of moderately priced steel). Congratulations, you just made 10x the average annual salary with almost zero repercussions. You're now a
 rich man in China.
 You could do deals with these guys, but if you supply them the proper price for the steel, you might make MAYBE $1000-2000/container for stainless steel (and that's a pretty high margin for pricing without organising shipping
 normal margins are 1-2% for that kind of job). If that guy is a small buyer and only buys two containers per year, you're going to have to wait decades to get the same amount of profit as you would just straight up fucking the
 guy. China is a conman's dream, lots of potential customers flooding in from all over the world looking for cheap steel that you can fuck with very little legal repercussions
 Anonymous 03/14/16(Mon)14:57:47 No.832896
 >832485
 Well, the thing is that you can find good quality, it's just that big mills (the reliable ones) only produce in certain order lots, and most of the times those order lots are out of reach for smaller traders. For example, if you're trying
 to buy Bao stainless steel and you're an ordinary trader without guanxi, you have to buy a minimum of 200 tons at I think 20 tons per dimension, i.e. if you want 2mm*1000* 2000 sheets, you have to buy 20 tons, you can't just
 buy 5 or 6. Problem is, that makes your order lot a minimum of $200,000, more likely in the $350,000 pushing $400,000+ depending on the grade, which is simply out of reach for smaller traders. Thus, most guys have to turn to
 Chinese traders who stock this stuff, and that's where you start running into the con men.
 832505
 I'm not a bad businessman otherwise I wouldn't be in business still. Since those early encounters we've more than made up for our losses and turn quite a bit in revenue every quarter.
 The examples I gave were growing pains of doing business in China, and this was with having connections in China. Unfortunately, the connections I had were only somewhat connected to the steel business i.e. they were
 manufacturers who often bought steel, and while I avoided a lot of shit on their advice, the steel industry is just filled with a LOT more cheats than one would expect especially when it comes to sheets and coils, which are
 easier to produce.
 I mean, the Russian guy who got cheated was a veteran in the steel industry, he's one of the largest traders in Russia and has been doing this for going on 25 years, his father was in the business as well after the USSR broke
 up. Russia also isn't exactly known for being an easy market, but even he still got fucked by the Chinese. In fact, every single one of our clients was defrauded at one point or another, most los ing $50,000, some losing more
 than $1m because people don't understand how different China is from Western countries
Anon doesn鈥檛 like doing business with Chinese companies

Anon doesn鈥檛 like doing business with Chinese companies

apologetic: When you Green screen you apologetic part to your 9 year old and restore faith.Brofist!
apologetic: When you Green screen you apologetic part to your 9 year old and restore faith.Brofist!

When you Green screen you apologetic part to your 9 year old and restore faith.Brofist!

apologetic: I was sitting in the library doing my usual thing when an older gentleman came and sat next to a young lady near me on a neighboring couch . He was dressed like a regular old guy in old cargo pants and a button down and she was a young, progressive fine arts major with pink hair, delicately applied red lipstick and a gorgeous liberty in her wardrobe style that could've been straight from Brooklyn itself He introduced himself to her as an alumni and an apologetic for his generation He asked her if he could tell her a story. She smiled and said "sure" and he began telling her his reasoning why he thinks there was no love of self or personal endorsement for the arts for his generation, which led to the necessity of movements such as 'Me Too' and social policy It was a richly detailed historical moment ending with, "We could've raised men to be gunmen, and fighters, and farmers while still teaching them how to love poetry, music, reading, writing, and the art of thinking empathically and with the intention to love in mind like they teach in liberal arts. How to know and understand the other gender and what they are truly about. And instead we as a whole, which led to internal justification for a few and a harder existence for the women of the past who represent artists like you!" .I walked away as I absorbed his final Never did I think l'd hear something eloquently put in this region Especially on my own campus There is hope yet . But it will be up to the allowed them to lose their civility statement So artists who are the visionaries and creators of the world to bring peace and equality to the torture of incomplete existence. Time for her weekly made up interaction to show you how philosophical her life is
apologetic: I was sitting in the library doing my usual thing when
 an older gentleman came and sat next to a young lady
 near me on a neighboring couch . He was dressed like
 a regular old guy in old cargo pants and a button
 down and she was a young, progressive fine arts
 major with pink hair, delicately applied red lipstick and
 a gorgeous liberty in her wardrobe style that could've
 been straight from Brooklyn itself He introduced
 himself to her as an alumni and an apologetic for his
 generation He asked her if he could tell her a story.
 She smiled and said "sure" and he began telling her
 his reasoning why he thinks there was no love of self
 or personal endorsement for the arts for his
 generation, which led to the necessity of movements
 such as 'Me Too' and social policy It was a richly
 detailed historical moment ending with, "We could've
 raised men to be gunmen, and fighters, and farmers
 while still teaching them how to love poetry, music,
 reading, writing, and the art of thinking empathically
 and with the intention to love in mind like they teach in
 liberal arts. How to know and understand the other
 gender and what they are truly about. And instead we
 as a whole, which
 led to internal justification for a few and a harder
 existence for the women of the past who represent
 artists like you!" .I walked away as I absorbed his final
 Never did I think l'd hear something
 eloquently put in this region Especially on my own
 campus There is hope yet . But it will be up to the
 allowed them to lose their civility
 statement
 So
 artists who are the visionaries and creators of the
 world to bring peace and equality to the torture of
 incomplete existence.
Time for her weekly made up interaction to show you how philosophical her life is

Time for her weekly made up interaction to show you how philosophical her life is

apologetic: 55.1k Driver's License testers- what's the worst thing a kid has done without batting an eye while taking the driving test? 9.5k Comments ShareSave Hide Report SORT BY BEST Single comment thread. View all comments Show parent comments 29 points 13 hours ago edited 13 hours ago I didn't have a license before I went into the Army, but got licensed for several military vehicles while I was in. I get to the DMV after I got back Stateside and the lady behind the counter points to my tester and tells me, "Good luck," in the most apologetic way possible. My tester was a complete ass. Before we even started, I asked what the speed limit was in the lot. "Standard speed limit," he said. "Okay, it's not in the book I got, so what's that?" He gets huffy and tells me 15. Fine. The in-lot test went okay, but he was being really condescending the whole time. Went on the road and I took a right turn a tad too wide (yet still in my lane), and he berated me the whole rest of the way for it. Finally I had enough, pulled over, turned off the engine, and quietly said, "Sir I do apologise for that, but please keep in mind that the last vehicle I drove had treads, a 600 HP turbo-diesel, and a big fucking cannon on it. I'm used to making turns a little wide so as to avoid bending track pins on the curb." Rest of the test went quietly except for basic instructions. Go back inside and same lady behind the counter told me I was the first perfect score come from that tester, and he fails more people than he passes. I told her that he might have a better pass rate if he wasn't being an absolute prick to the people testing - it made me incredibly anxious. Close Call But I Smell BS
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 I didn't have a license before I went into the Army, but got licensed for several military vehicles while I was in. I get to
 the DMV after I got back Stateside and the lady behind the counter points to my tester and tells me, "Good luck," in the
 most apologetic way possible.
 My tester was a complete ass. Before we even started, I asked what the speed limit was in the lot.
 "Standard speed limit," he said.
 "Okay, it's not in the book I got, so what's that?"
 He gets huffy and tells me 15.
 Fine. The in-lot test went okay, but he was being really condescending the whole time. Went on the road and I took a
 right turn a tad too wide (yet still in my lane), and he berated me the whole rest of the way for it.
 Finally I had enough, pulled over, turned off the engine, and quietly said, "Sir I do apologise for that, but please keep in
 mind that the last vehicle I drove had treads, a 600 HP turbo-diesel, and a big fucking cannon on it. I'm used to making
 turns a little wide so as to avoid bending track pins on the curb."
 Rest of the test went quietly except for basic instructions.
 Go back inside and same lady behind the counter told me I was the first perfect score come from that tester, and he fails
 more people than he passes.
 I told her that he might have a better pass rate if he wasn't being an absolute prick to the people testing - it made me
 incredibly anxious.
Close Call But I Smell BS

Close Call But I Smell BS

apologetic: uncleromeo when I was 11, my (black) neighbor witnessed my house being broken into. she called the police to report the crime. I came home from school and the robber was still inside. I personally watched as a man I didnt know walked out of my home with our stuff. the police didnt show up for 3 days. when they did, they told us there was nothing the could do because we "staged the house". they claimed we hid our tv's and valuables to make it look like more was actually stolen. they never asked for a description, never visited the neighbor who saw the break-in, anf as they left, they told us that stolen property is almost never recovered and we should "buy more and get on with [our] lives" when I was 23, I was dog-sitting for a (white) friend. her neighbor called the police and said there was a strange black man in her yard. the police showed up in 5 minutes. 6 units, 12 officers, stormed the back yard as I was running around with the dog. some came through the house and I know for a fact that the front door was locked. they damaged around $5000 worth of property, took her dog to the pound, and me to jail. my friend had to cut her trip short and drive 4 hours back to get me from jail and explain to police in person that she knew me. because "that could be anybody on the phone". the neighbor was with her when she came. we had met several times before. she was neither embarrassed nor apologetic. moral of the story? too many of us have lived this. too many of us didn't survive. Wow
apologetic: uncleromeo
 when I was 11, my (black) neighbor witnessed my house being broken into.
 she called the police to report the crime. I came home from school and the
 robber was still inside. I personally watched as a man I didnt know walked out
 of my home with our stuff.
 the police didnt show up for 3 days.
 when they did, they told us there was nothing the could do because we
 "staged the house". they claimed we hid our tv's and valuables to make it look
 like more was actually stolen. they never asked for a description, never visited
 the neighbor who saw the break-in, anf as they left, they told us that stolen
 property is almost never recovered and we should "buy more and get on with
 [our] lives"
 when I was 23, I was dog-sitting for a (white) friend. her neighbor called the
 police and said there was a strange black man in her yard.
 the police showed up in 5 minutes.
 6 units, 12 officers, stormed the back yard as I was running around with the
 dog. some came through the house and I know for a fact that the front door
 was locked. they damaged around $5000 worth of property, took her dog to
 the pound, and me to jail.
 my friend had to cut her trip short and drive 4 hours back to get me from jail
 and explain to police in person that she knew me. because "that could be
 anybody on the phone". the neighbor was with her when she came. we had
 met several times before. she was neither embarrassed nor apologetic.
 moral of the story?
 too many of us have lived this. too many of us didn't survive.
Wow

Wow

apologetic: ActiVe noW Oh 袧械褍 And how old are you Hello 14 How you been Any reason you asked? Eh alright Starts geHing wc'rd No just curious Same You're hot So where you from Um thanks, rarely get that compliment before. Idk how to feel about that statement tho but the rest of my family is from considering I don't know ya Oh really that's cool l 20% cricket 9:56 PM 20%9:55 PM cricket Active now Active now Weird vibes ? How old are you anyway? You look over 18 from your profile pic Like what? Idk man just you saying I'm hot and asking if I'm single just not sure. Considering I don't know you and your 3 years older than me, doesn't seem like a huge gap but it does when your a teen. I'm not about that Danielle Cohn life. I'm sorry if I'm being paranoid, I'm just not a big fan with that ish, ya know? 17 Bruh Are you single Well I'm 14, so People who are 14 and are in relationships are weird to me.Kinda iffy about your messages man tbh sending a bit weird vibes. Sorry if I'm assuming too much, just sayin' yeah??? Prefer friendships online, not relationships I mean you don't have to be in relationship you could just have fun relationships Nope Aaaaand this is where I block you. I knew my gut was right. Thanks for the content and the Nope Would you wanpa watch me jerk off creepiness. Not fun talking to you after that NOPE Backing tf out of here! Seen Btw he messaged me before saying I'm cute when my dog died. Also I'm a pretty nervous yet apologetic person, so when I'm nervous I say sorry even when I'm not in the wrong
apologetic: ActiVe noW
 Oh
 袧械褍
 And how old are you
 Hello
 14
 How you been
 Any
 reason you asked?
 Eh alright
 Starts
 geHing
 wc'rd
 No just curious
 Same
 You're hot
 So where you from
 Um thanks, rarely get that
 compliment before. Idk how to
 feel about that statement tho
 but the rest of my family
 is from
 considering I don't know ya
 Oh really that's cool
 l 20%
 cricket
 9:56 PM
 20%9:55 PM
 cricket
 Active now
 Active now
 Weird vibes ?
 How old are you anyway? You
 look over 18 from your profile
 pic
 Like what?
 Idk man just you saying I'm hot
 and asking if I'm single just not
 sure. Considering I don't know
 you and your 3 years older
 than me, doesn't seem like
 a huge gap but it does when
 your a teen. I'm not about that
 Danielle Cohn life. I'm sorry
 if I'm being paranoid, I'm just
 not a big fan with that ish, ya
 know?
 17
 Bruh
 Are you single
 Well I'm 14, so
 People who are 14 and are
 in relationships are weird
 to me.Kinda iffy about your
 messages man tbh sending
 a bit weird vibes. Sorry if I'm
 assuming too much, just sayin'
 yeah???
 Prefer friendships online, not
 relationships
 I mean you don't have to be in
 relationship you could just
 have fun
 relationships
 Nope
 Aaaaand this is where I block
 you. I knew my gut was right.
 Thanks for the content and the
 Nope
 Would you wanpa watch me
 jerk off
 creepiness. Not fun talking to
 you after that
 NOPE
 Backing tf out of here!
 Seen
Btw he messaged me before saying I'm cute when my dog died. Also I'm a pretty nervous yet apologetic person, so when I'm nervous I say sorry even when I'm not in the wrong

Btw he messaged me before saying I'm cute when my dog died. Also I'm a pretty nervous yet apologetic person, so when I'm nervous I say so...