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    Af, Books, and Community: ti skerb Retweeted
 Shan AF RJ mesa 15 - AF SP mesa 71 @ShanaBRX Jun 14
 Fuck everyone who whines about ao3
 News
 All News
 May 2019 Newsletter, Volume 135
 Published: Thu 13 Jun 2019 01:03PM 03 Comments: 4
 Recently, the Archive of Our Own has received an influx of
 new Chinese users, a result of tightening content restrictions
 on other platforms. We would like to extend our warmest
 welcome to them, and remind everyone that our committees
 are working to make AO3 as accessible as possible in
 languages other than English
 Read more...
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 t 2.8K
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 Show this thread
ao3tagoftheday:

zoe2213414:
eabevella:

naryrising:

You can read the post here for more info, but I wanted to just add a bit about what this entails from my POV, on the Support team.  Somewhere between ¼ to 1/3 of all our tickets last month were in Chinese (somewhere upwards of 300 out of 1200 or so), almost all from users just setting up their accounts or trying to find out how to get an invitation.  A lot of the tickets are what I’d characterize as “intro” tickets - they say hi, list favourite fandoms or pairings, or provide samples of fic they’ve written. Although this isn’t necessary on AO3, this is not uncommon in Chinese fandom sites that you have to prove your credentials to get in (in fact it wasn’t uncommon in English-language fandom sites 15-20 years ago).  We respond to all of these tickets, even the ones that just say hi.  We check whether the user has managed to receive their invite or get their account sent up, and if they haven’t, we help them do so.  This means taking every single ticket through our Chinese translation team twice, once so we make sure we understand the initial ticket, and then again to translate our reply. 
This is a challenging process, although we’ve found ways to streamline it and can normally get a reply out pretty quickly (like within a few days).  We do it because this is part of why AO3 exists in the first place - to provide a safe haven where users can post their works without worrying about censorship or sudden crackdowns on certain kinds of content.  We do it because this is important, and helping these users get their accounts and be able to share their works safely is why we’re here.  We hope that we’ll be able to help as many of them as possible.  
There have been a few (thankfully few, that I’ve seen) complaints about these new AO3 users not always knowing how things work - what language to tag with, or what fandom tags to use, for instance.  To this I would say:
1. Have patience and be considerate.  They are coming to a new site that they aren’t familiar with, and using it in a language they may not be expert in, and it might take a while to learn the ropes.  You can filter out works tagged in Chinese if you don’t want to see them.  Or just scroll past.  
2. You can report works tagged with the wrong language or the wrong fandom to our Policy and Abuse team using the link at the bottom of any page.  This will not cause the authors to “get in trouble” (a concern I’ve heard before, as people are reluctant to report for these reasons).  It means the Policy and Abuse team will contact them to ask them to change the language/fandom tag, and if the creator doesn’t, they can edit it directly. 
If you remember Strikethrough or the FF.net porn ban or similar purges, please keep them in mind and consider that these users are going through something similar or potentially worse.  This is why AO3 exists.  We are doing our best to try and help make the transition smooth.  

I am a Taiwanese and I’d like to put some context behind the recent influx of China based AO3 users.
China is tightening their freedom of speech in recent years after Xi has became the chairman (he even canceled the 10 years long term of service of chairman, meaning he can stay as the leader of China as long as he lives–he has became a dictator). 
They censor words that are deemed “sensitive”, you can’t type anything to criticize the chinise government. Big social media platform won’t even post the posts containing sensitive words. You don’t have the freedom of publish books without the books being approved by the government either.
To disguise this whole Ninety Eighty-Four nightmare, they started to pick on the easy target: the women and the minorities (China is getting more and more misogynistic as a result of the government trying to control their male population through encouraging them to control the female population through “chinese tradition family value” but that’s another story). 
Last year, the chinese government arrested a woman who is a famous yaoi/BL novel writer named 天一 and sentenced her 10 years in jail for “selling obscene publications” and “illegal publication” (she’s not the only BL writer who got arrested. Meanwhile, multiple cases where men raped women only get about 2 years of jail time in China). It’s a warning to anyone who want to publish anything that’s “not approved” by the government that they can literally ruin you.  
Just recently the chinese government “contacted” website owners of one of their largest romance/yaoi/slash fiction sites 
晉江

and announced that for now on, for the sake of a Clean Society, they can’t write anything that’s slightly “obscene”. No sex scene, no sexual interaction, they can’t even write any bodily interaction below neck (I’m not kidding here). 
But that’s not their actual goal. They also listed other restriction such as: can’t write anything that’s about the government, the military, the police, “sensitive history”, “race problems”, which is… you basically can’t write anything that might be used as a tool to criticize the government (as many novels did). 
This recent development really hurt the chinese fanfic writers. They can’t write anything without the fear of being put on the guillotine by the government to show their control. Most of them don’t even think that deep politically, they just want to write slash fictions. But there are no platform safe in China, that’s why the sudden influx of chinese users to AO3. 
I bet it won’t be long before AO3 got banned in China, but until then, be a little bit patient to them. As much as I hate the chinese government, I pity their people. 


I’m crying so loud…As a Chinese, you don’t know how your kindness meant to us. When I’m young, I read 1984, and I thought this story is so unrealistic, but now, it’s getting tougher and tougher for fanfic and the writer in China. Thank you ao3. Thank you for the people who care about Chinese people. (hope I didn’t spell anything wrong)


Hi everyone! As much as I poke fun at ao3 culture on this blog, I love the platform and the community and I’m glad that it can function as a refuge for Chinese fans, both writers and readers.So followers! I encourage you all to be welcoming and helpful to Chinese fans joining us on ao3 and to be patient as the platform figures out how to integrate them. If any of you are Chinese speakers and are inclined to volunteer with ao3, I’m sure that would be appreciated. As for the rest of us, let’s remember that ao3 exists as a sanctuary for our community, especially exactly those parts of it that are most at risk under Chinese censorship (lgbt+ content, explicit fics, etc.) and let’s take this opportunity to be grateful that our community has worked together so well for so long in order to create this sanctuary. I’m delighted that that effort can now be helpful to Chinese fans facing censorship, and I’m excited to see how Chinese fans and fan culture will interact and co-create with English speaking fandom.And with that, I’m off to slip ao3 an extra 10 dollars.
    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                Af, Books, and Community: ti skerb Retweeted
 Shan AF RJ mesa 15 - AF SP mesa 71 @ShanaBRX Jun 14
 Fuck everyone who whines about ao3
 News
 All News
 May 2019 Newsletter, Volume 135
 Published: Thu 13 Jun 2019 01:03PM 03 Comments: 4
 Recently, the Archive of Our Own has received an influx of
 new Chinese users, a result of tightening content restrictions
 on other platforms. We would like to extend our warmest
 welcome to them, and remind everyone that our committees
 are working to make AO3 as accessible as possible in
 languages other than English
 Read more...
 20
 t 2.8K
 6.4K
 Show this thread
ao3tagoftheday:

zoe2213414:
eabevella:

naryrising:

You can read the post here for more info, but I wanted to just add a bit about what this entails from my POV, on the Support team.  Somewhere between ¼ to 1/3 of all our tickets last month were in Chinese (somewhere upwards of 300 out of 1200 or so), almost all from users just setting up their accounts or trying to find out how to get an invitation.  A lot of the tickets are what I’d characterize as “intro” tickets - they say hi, list favourite fandoms or pairings, or provide samples of fic they’ve written. Although this isn’t necessary on AO3, this is not uncommon in Chinese fandom sites that you have to prove your credentials to get in (in fact it wasn’t uncommon in English-language fandom sites 15-20 years ago).  We respond to all of these tickets, even the ones that just say hi.  We check whether the user has managed to receive their invite or get their account sent up, and if they haven’t, we help them do so.  This means taking every single ticket through our Chinese translation team twice, once so we make sure we understand the initial ticket, and then again to translate our reply. 
This is a challenging process, although we’ve found ways to streamline it and can normally get a reply out pretty quickly (like within a few days).  We do it because this is part of why AO3 exists in the first place - to provide a safe haven where users can post their works without worrying about censorship or sudden crackdowns on certain kinds of content.  We do it because this is important, and helping these users get their accounts and be able to share their works safely is why we’re here.  We hope that we’ll be able to help as many of them as possible.  
There have been a few (thankfully few, that I’ve seen) complaints about these new AO3 users not always knowing how things work - what language to tag with, or what fandom tags to use, for instance.  To this I would say:
1. Have patience and be considerate.  They are coming to a new site that they aren’t familiar with, and using it in a language they may not be expert in, and it might take a while to learn the ropes.  You can filter out works tagged in Chinese if you don’t want to see them.  Or just scroll past.  
2. You can report works tagged with the wrong language or the wrong fandom to our Policy and Abuse team using the link at the bottom of any page.  This will not cause the authors to “get in trouble” (a concern I’ve heard before, as people are reluctant to report for these reasons).  It means the Policy and Abuse team will contact them to ask them to change the language/fandom tag, and if the creator doesn’t, they can edit it directly. 
If you remember Strikethrough or the FF.net porn ban or similar purges, please keep them in mind and consider that these users are going through something similar or potentially worse.  This is why AO3 exists.  We are doing our best to try and help make the transition smooth.  

I am a Taiwanese and I’d like to put some context behind the recent influx of China based AO3 users.
China is tightening their freedom of speech in recent years after Xi has became the chairman (he even canceled the 10 years long term of service of chairman, meaning he can stay as the leader of China as long as he lives–he has became a dictator). 
They censor words that are deemed “sensitive”, you can’t type anything to criticize the chinise government. Big social media platform won’t even post the posts containing sensitive words. You don’t have the freedom of publish books without the books being approved by the government either.
To disguise this whole Ninety Eighty-Four nightmare, they started to pick on the easy target: the women and the minorities (China is getting more and more misogynistic as a result of the government trying to control their male population through encouraging them to control the female population through “chinese tradition family value” but that’s another story). 
Last year, the chinese government arrested a woman who is a famous yaoi/BL novel writer named 天一 and sentenced her 10 years in jail for “selling obscene publications” and “illegal publication” (she’s not the only BL writer who got arrested. Meanwhile, multiple cases where men raped women only get about 2 years of jail time in China). It’s a warning to anyone who want to publish anything that’s “not approved” by the government that they can literally ruin you.  
Just recently the chinese government “contacted” website owners of one of their largest romance/yaoi/slash fiction sites 
晉江

and announced that for now on, for the sake of a Clean Society, they can’t write anything that’s slightly “obscene”. No sex scene, no sexual interaction, they can’t even write any bodily interaction below neck (I’m not kidding here). 
But that’s not their actual goal. They also listed other restriction such as: can’t write anything that’s about the government, the military, the police, “sensitive history”, “race problems”, which is… you basically can’t write anything that might be used as a tool to criticize the government (as many novels did). 
This recent development really hurt the chinese fanfic writers. They can’t write anything without the fear of being put on the guillotine by the government to show their control. Most of them don’t even think that deep politically, they just want to write slash fictions. But there are no platform safe in China, that’s why the sudden influx of chinese users to AO3. 
I bet it won’t be long before AO3 got banned in China, but until then, be a little bit patient to them. As much as I hate the chinese government, I pity their people. 


I’m crying so loud…As a Chinese, you don’t know how your kindness meant to us. When I’m young, I read 1984, and I thought this story is so unrealistic, but now, it’s getting tougher and tougher for fanfic and the writer in China. Thank you ao3. Thank you for the people who care about Chinese people. (hope I didn’t spell anything wrong)


Hi everyone! As much as I poke fun at ao3 culture on this blog, I love the platform and the community and I’m glad that it can function as a refuge for Chinese fans, both writers and readers.So followers! I encourage you all to be welcoming and helpful to Chinese fans joining us on ao3 and to be patient as the platform figures out how to integrate them. If any of you are Chinese speakers and are inclined to volunteer with ao3, I’m sure that would be appreciated. As for the rest of us, let’s remember that ao3 exists as a sanctuary for our community, especially exactly those parts of it that are most at risk under Chinese censorship (lgbt+ content, explicit fics, etc.) and let’s take this opportunity to be grateful that our community has worked together so well for so long in order to create this sanctuary. I’m delighted that that effort can now be helpful to Chinese fans facing censorship, and I’m excited to see how Chinese fans and fan culture will interact and co-create with English speaking fandom.And with that, I’m off to slip ao3 an extra 10 dollars.
                
            

            
            
ao3tagoftheday:

zoe2213414:
eabevella:

naryrising:

You can read the post here for more info, but I wanted to just add a bit about what th...

            
            
        

    



        

            
        
        

            




    Cute, Definitely, and Fresh: Cool Shit That
 Can
 Actually Afford
 PART 3
 PART3
 0
 Remote Controlled Tarantula
 $13.59
 You could seriously scare the shit out of
 people with this one. Arachnophobia is one
 of the most common fears among people. l'o
 recommend using this on someone with
 headphones in. l've gathered from reviews
 that it makes a decent amount of noise.

 USB Thermoelectric Cooler & Warmer
 $14.99
 It's a one can refrigerator. Simple, yet
 fucking awesome at the same time. It's
 better than a mini fridge because it makes
 you drink in moderation.. right?
 Giant Plush Microbes
 S9.99 -$19.99
 Valentine's Day is coming up and I know
 some of you out there are single, but don't
 fret. Now you can give yourself chlamydia!
 You don't need to go dumpster diving at a
 sorority house to make friends with these
 cute little guys.

 Retron 3 SNES/NES/Genesis Game System
 $59.99
 Yeah, I know."Holy shit peanutbitter this is
 sixty fucking dollars!" I get it, but I think that
 if you have the
 money, this would be a
 worthwhile investment. Those old consoles
 in our closets have seen better days. I think it
 would be nice to get a modern remake of all
 three in one. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than
 buying these three consoles back in their day
 LifeStraw Personal Water Filter
 $19.99
 This could definitely be a life saver. It filters
 water as you suck it in.I might buy one of
 these and put it in my glove compartment in
 my car. If you get stuck in the middle of
 nowhere, it'd be nice to be able to drink
 straight from a fucking river

 iTouchless Bag Resealer
 $16.98
 This is one of those inventions that was just a
 good fucking idea. Now you never have to go
 looking for that little chip clip thing that
 doesn't really work too well at keeping stuf
 fresh
 4,500 Live Ladybugs
 $17.99
 Honestly, I'm not really sure why anybody
 would want 4,500 ladybugs, but why the fuck
 not? They're only 18 dollars. That's about 0.4
 cents per bug.
novelty-gift-ideas:You can buy these stuffs here
    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                Cute, Definitely, and Fresh: Cool Shit That
 Can
 Actually Afford
 PART 3
 PART3
 0
 Remote Controlled Tarantula
 $13.59
 You could seriously scare the shit out of
 people with this one. Arachnophobia is one
 of the most common fears among people. l'o
 recommend using this on someone with
 headphones in. l've gathered from reviews
 that it makes a decent amount of noise.

 USB Thermoelectric Cooler & Warmer
 $14.99
 It's a one can refrigerator. Simple, yet
 fucking awesome at the same time. It's
 better than a mini fridge because it makes
 you drink in moderation.. right?
 Giant Plush Microbes
 S9.99 -$19.99
 Valentine's Day is coming up and I know
 some of you out there are single, but don't
 fret. Now you can give yourself chlamydia!
 You don't need to go dumpster diving at a
 sorority house to make friends with these
 cute little guys.

 Retron 3 SNES/NES/Genesis Game System
 $59.99
 Yeah, I know."Holy shit peanutbitter this is
 sixty fucking dollars!" I get it, but I think that
 if you have the
 money, this would be a
 worthwhile investment. Those old consoles
 in our closets have seen better days. I think it
 would be nice to get a modern remake of all
 three in one. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than
 buying these three consoles back in their day
 LifeStraw Personal Water Filter
 $19.99
 This could definitely be a life saver. It filters
 water as you suck it in.I might buy one of
 these and put it in my glove compartment in
 my car. If you get stuck in the middle of
 nowhere, it'd be nice to be able to drink
 straight from a fucking river

 iTouchless Bag Resealer
 $16.98
 This is one of those inventions that was just a
 good fucking idea. Now you never have to go
 looking for that little chip clip thing that
 doesn't really work too well at keeping stuf
 fresh
 4,500 Live Ladybugs
 $17.99
 Honestly, I'm not really sure why anybody
 would want 4,500 ladybugs, but why the fuck
 not? They're only 18 dollars. That's about 0.4
 cents per bug.
novelty-gift-ideas:You can buy these stuffs here
                
            

            
            
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    Apparently, Bad, and Comfortable: theladyzephyr:

Folks let me talk about Crowley and sunglasses, because I have a lot of emotions about when he wears them and when he doesn’t, and Hiding versus Being Seen.
We’re introduced to the concept of Crowley wearing glasses even before we’re introduced to Crowley, by Hastur: “If you ask me he’s been up here too long. Gone native. Enjoying himself too much. Wearing sunglasses even when he doesn’t need them.”
Honestly Crowley’s whole introduction is a fantastic; we learn so much about his character in a tiny amount of time. The fact that he’s late, the Queen playing as the Bentley approaches, the “Hi, guys” in response to Hastur and Ligur’s “Hail Satan”. I like this intro much better than the one originally scripted with the rats at the phone company, but I digress.
Crowley wears sunglasses when he doesn’t need them. Specifically, he still wears them around the demons, and when he’s in hell.
You know where Crowley doesn’t wear glasses? At home.
We never once see him wearing glasses in his flat, except for when he knows Hastur and Ligur are coming. That’s an emotional kick to the gut for me. Here’s one of the only places Crowley’s comfortable enough to be sans glasses, and when he knows it’s going to be invaded he prepares not just physically with the holy water, but by putting up that emotional barrier in a place where he wasn’t supposed to need it.
An argument could be made that Crowley actually never needs glasses. We’re shown that it’s well within the angels’ and demons’ powers to pass unnoticed by humans. Crowley and Aziraphale waltz out of the manor in the middle of a police raid, and going unnoticed by the police takes so little effort that they can keep up a conversation while they stroll through. Even an unimaginative demon like Hastur apparently doesn’t have trouble with the humans losing it over his demonic eyes. The humans in the scene at Megiddo are acting like “this guy is a little weird” and not “holy shit his entire eyeballs are black jelly”
That means that Crowley’s glasses are a choice, just like Aziraphale’s softness. Sure, he could arrange matters so that nobody ever noticed his eyes, but he doesn’t want to. Crowley wants acceptance, and he wants to belong, and he’s never, ever had that. He didn’t fit in before the Fall in Heaven, he doesn’t fit in with the demons in Hell. With the glasses, and with the Bentley and his plants and with the barely-bad-enough-to-be-evil nuisance temptations, he’s choosing Earth. This is where he wants to fit in, perhaps not with the humans, but amongst them.
Even after Crowley is at his absolute lowest, when he thinks Aziraphale’s dead and he’s on his way to drink until the world ends, he takes the time to put a new pair on when the old ones are damaged. He needs that emotional crutch right now, even with everything about to turn into a pile of puddling goo he’s not ready for the world to see his eyes.
Which is why I swore out loud when Hastur forcibly takes them off.
It’s about the worst thing that Hastur could have done. Rather than leading with a physical threat, his first act is to strip away Crowley’s emotional defences. It’s a great writing choice because god it made me hate Hastur, even more than all the physical violence we see him do.
It’s also the moment that Crowley really truly gets his shit together, and focuses all of his considerable imagination on getting to Tadfield and Aziraphale to help save the world. He’s wielding the terrifyingly unimaginable power of someone who’s hit rock bottom and realised it literally could not get any worse than this. He doesn’t put another pair of glasses on after discorporating Hastur, and he spends the majority of the airbase sequence without them.
He puts them back on again, I think, at the moment that he really lets himself hope. When he thinks ‘shit, there may be a real chance that we get through this to a future that I don’t want to lose’.
The vulnerability is back, and he needs Adam to trust him. In Crowley’s mind being accepted by a human means he needs to have his eyes hidden. Someone give the demon a hug, please.
Interestingly, there’s only one time in the whole series that we see Crowley willingly choose to take his glasses off around another person. Only one person he’ll take down that barrier for, and even then he’s drunk before he does it.
Dear God/Satan/Someone that makes my heart ache. Crowley’s chosen Earth, but he’s also chosen Aziraphale. He’s been looking for somewhere to belong his entire existence, and it’s with the angel that he finally feels it.
When the dust settles and the world is saved and they finally have space to be themselves unguarded, I like to imagine Crowley takes off the glasses when it’s just the two of them; the idea of being known doesn’t scare him quite so much anymore.  

    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                Apparently, Bad, and Comfortable: theladyzephyr:

Folks let me talk about Crowley and sunglasses, because I have a lot of emotions about when he wears them and when he doesn’t, and Hiding versus Being Seen.
We’re introduced to the concept of Crowley wearing glasses even before we’re introduced to Crowley, by Hastur: “If you ask me he’s been up here too long. Gone native. Enjoying himself too much. Wearing sunglasses even when he doesn’t need them.”
Honestly Crowley’s whole introduction is a fantastic; we learn so much about his character in a tiny amount of time. The fact that he’s late, the Queen playing as the Bentley approaches, the “Hi, guys” in response to Hastur and Ligur’s “Hail Satan”. I like this intro much better than the one originally scripted with the rats at the phone company, but I digress.
Crowley wears sunglasses when he doesn’t need them. Specifically, he still wears them around the demons, and when he’s in hell.
You know where Crowley doesn’t wear glasses? At home.
We never once see him wearing glasses in his flat, except for when he knows Hastur and Ligur are coming. That’s an emotional kick to the gut for me. Here’s one of the only places Crowley’s comfortable enough to be sans glasses, and when he knows it’s going to be invaded he prepares not just physically with the holy water, but by putting up that emotional barrier in a place where he wasn’t supposed to need it.
An argument could be made that Crowley actually never needs glasses. We’re shown that it’s well within the angels’ and demons’ powers to pass unnoticed by humans. Crowley and Aziraphale waltz out of the manor in the middle of a police raid, and going unnoticed by the police takes so little effort that they can keep up a conversation while they stroll through. Even an unimaginative demon like Hastur apparently doesn’t have trouble with the humans losing it over his demonic eyes. The humans in the scene at Megiddo are acting like “this guy is a little weird” and not “holy shit his entire eyeballs are black jelly”
That means that Crowley’s glasses are a choice, just like Aziraphale’s softness. Sure, he could arrange matters so that nobody ever noticed his eyes, but he doesn’t want to. Crowley wants acceptance, and he wants to belong, and he’s never, ever had that. He didn’t fit in before the Fall in Heaven, he doesn’t fit in with the demons in Hell. With the glasses, and with the Bentley and his plants and with the barely-bad-enough-to-be-evil nuisance temptations, he’s choosing Earth. This is where he wants to fit in, perhaps not with the humans, but amongst them.
Even after Crowley is at his absolute lowest, when he thinks Aziraphale’s dead and he’s on his way to drink until the world ends, he takes the time to put a new pair on when the old ones are damaged. He needs that emotional crutch right now, even with everything about to turn into a pile of puddling goo he’s not ready for the world to see his eyes.
Which is why I swore out loud when Hastur forcibly takes them off.
It’s about the worst thing that Hastur could have done. Rather than leading with a physical threat, his first act is to strip away Crowley’s emotional defences. It’s a great writing choice because god it made me hate Hastur, even more than all the physical violence we see him do.
It’s also the moment that Crowley really truly gets his shit together, and focuses all of his considerable imagination on getting to Tadfield and Aziraphale to help save the world. He’s wielding the terrifyingly unimaginable power of someone who’s hit rock bottom and realised it literally could not get any worse than this. He doesn’t put another pair of glasses on after discorporating Hastur, and he spends the majority of the airbase sequence without them.
He puts them back on again, I think, at the moment that he really lets himself hope. When he thinks ‘shit, there may be a real chance that we get through this to a future that I don’t want to lose’.
The vulnerability is back, and he needs Adam to trust him. In Crowley’s mind being accepted by a human means he needs to have his eyes hidden. Someone give the demon a hug, please.
Interestingly, there’s only one time in the whole series that we see Crowley willingly choose to take his glasses off around another person. Only one person he’ll take down that barrier for, and even then he’s drunk before he does it.
Dear God/Satan/Someone that makes my heart ache. Crowley’s chosen Earth, but he’s also chosen Aziraphale. He’s been looking for somewhere to belong his entire existence, and it’s with the angel that he finally feels it.
When the dust settles and the world is saved and they finally have space to be themselves unguarded, I like to imagine Crowley takes off the glasses when it’s just the two of them; the idea of being known doesn’t scare him quite so much anymore.  

                
                

                
            

            
            
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    Cute, Definitely, and Fresh: Cool Shit That
 Can
 Actually Afford
 PART 3
 PART3
 0
 Remote Controlled Tarantula
 $13.59
 You could seriously scare the shit out of
 people with this one. Arachnophobia is one
 of the most common fears among people. l'o
 recommend using this on someone with
 headphones in. l've gathered from reviews
 that it makes a decent amount of noise.

 USB Thermoelectric Cooler & Warmer
 $14.99
 It's a one can refrigerator. Simple, yet
 fucking awesome at the same time. It's
 better than a mini fridge because it makes
 you drink in moderation.. right?
 Giant Plush Microbes
 S9.99 -$19.99
 Valentine's Day is coming up and I know
 some of you out there are single, but don't
 fret. Now you can give yourself chlamydia!
 You don't need to go dumpster diving at a
 sorority house to make friends with these
 cute little guys.

 Retron 3 SNES/NES/Genesis Game System
 $59.99
 Yeah, I know."Holy shit peanutbitter this is
 sixty fucking dollars!" I get it, but I think that
 if you have the
 money, this would be a
 worthwhile investment. Those old consoles
 in our closets have seen better days. I think it
 would be nice to get a modern remake of all
 three in one. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than
 buying these three consoles back in their day
 LifeStraw Personal Water Filter
 $19.99
 This could definitely be a life saver. It filters
 water as you suck it in.I might buy one of
 these and put it in my glove compartment in
 my car. If you get stuck in the middle of
 nowhere, it'd be nice to be able to drink
 straight from a fucking river

 iTouchless Bag Resealer
 $16.98
 This is one of those inventions that was just a
 good fucking idea. Now you never have to go
 looking for that little chip clip thing that
 doesn't really work too well at keeping stuf
 fresh
 4,500 Live Ladybugs
 $17.99
 Honestly, I'm not really sure why anybody
 would want 4,500 ladybugs, but why the fuck
 not? They're only 18 dollars. That's about 0.4
 cents per bug.
novelty-gift-ideas:You can buy these stuffs here
    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                Cute, Definitely, and Fresh: Cool Shit That
 Can
 Actually Afford
 PART 3
 PART3
 0
 Remote Controlled Tarantula
 $13.59
 You could seriously scare the shit out of
 people with this one. Arachnophobia is one
 of the most common fears among people. l'o
 recommend using this on someone with
 headphones in. l've gathered from reviews
 that it makes a decent amount of noise.

 USB Thermoelectric Cooler & Warmer
 $14.99
 It's a one can refrigerator. Simple, yet
 fucking awesome at the same time. It's
 better than a mini fridge because it makes
 you drink in moderation.. right?
 Giant Plush Microbes
 S9.99 -$19.99
 Valentine's Day is coming up and I know
 some of you out there are single, but don't
 fret. Now you can give yourself chlamydia!
 You don't need to go dumpster diving at a
 sorority house to make friends with these
 cute little guys.

 Retron 3 SNES/NES/Genesis Game System
 $59.99
 Yeah, I know."Holy shit peanutbitter this is
 sixty fucking dollars!" I get it, but I think that
 if you have the
 money, this would be a
 worthwhile investment. Those old consoles
 in our closets have seen better days. I think it
 would be nice to get a modern remake of all
 three in one. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than
 buying these three consoles back in their day
 LifeStraw Personal Water Filter
 $19.99
 This could definitely be a life saver. It filters
 water as you suck it in.I might buy one of
 these and put it in my glove compartment in
 my car. If you get stuck in the middle of
 nowhere, it'd be nice to be able to drink
 straight from a fucking river

 iTouchless Bag Resealer
 $16.98
 This is one of those inventions that was just a
 good fucking idea. Now you never have to go
 looking for that little chip clip thing that
 doesn't really work too well at keeping stuf
 fresh
 4,500 Live Ladybugs
 $17.99
 Honestly, I'm not really sure why anybody
 would want 4,500 ladybugs, but why the fuck
 not? They're only 18 dollars. That's about 0.4
 cents per bug.
novelty-gift-ideas:You can buy these stuffs here
                
            

            
            
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    Cute, Definitely, and Fresh: Cool Shit That
 Can
 Actually Afford
 PART 3
 PART3
 0
 Remote Controlled Tarantula
 $13.59
 You could seriously scare the shit out of
 people with this one. Arachnophobia is one
 of the most common fears among people. l'o
 recommend using this on someone with
 headphones in. l've gathered from reviews
 that it makes a decent amount of noise.

 USB Thermoelectric Cooler & Warmer
 $14.99
 It's a one can refrigerator. Simple, yet
 fucking awesome at the same time. It's
 better than a mini fridge because it makes
 you drink in moderation.. right?
 Giant Plush Microbes
 S9.99 -$19.99
 Valentine's Day is coming up and I know
 some of you out there are single, but don't
 fret. Now you can give yourself chlamydia!
 You don't need to go dumpster diving at a
 sorority house to make friends with these
 cute little guys.

 Retron 3 SNES/NES/Genesis Game System
 $59.99
 Yeah, I know."Holy shit peanutbitter this is
 sixty fucking dollars!" I get it, but I think that
 if you have the
 money, this would be a
 worthwhile investment. Those old consoles
 in our closets have seen better days. I think it
 would be nice to get a modern remake of all
 three in one. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than
 buying these three consoles back in their day
 LifeStraw Personal Water Filter
 $19.99
 This could definitely be a life saver. It filters
 water as you suck it in.I might buy one of
 these and put it in my glove compartment in
 my car. If you get stuck in the middle of
 nowhere, it'd be nice to be able to drink
 straight from a fucking river

 iTouchless Bag Resealer
 $16.98
 This is one of those inventions that was just a
 good fucking idea. Now you never have to go
 looking for that little chip clip thing that
 doesn't really work too well at keeping stuf
 fresh
 4,500 Live Ladybugs
 $17.99
 Honestly, I'm not really sure why anybody
 would want 4,500 ladybugs, but why the fuck
 not? They're only 18 dollars. That's about 0.4
 cents per bug.
novelty-gift-ideas:You can buy these stuffs here
    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                Cute, Definitely, and Fresh: Cool Shit That
 Can
 Actually Afford
 PART 3
 PART3
 0
 Remote Controlled Tarantula
 $13.59
 You could seriously scare the shit out of
 people with this one. Arachnophobia is one
 of the most common fears among people. l'o
 recommend using this on someone with
 headphones in. l've gathered from reviews
 that it makes a decent amount of noise.

 USB Thermoelectric Cooler & Warmer
 $14.99
 It's a one can refrigerator. Simple, yet
 fucking awesome at the same time. It's
 better than a mini fridge because it makes
 you drink in moderation.. right?
 Giant Plush Microbes
 S9.99 -$19.99
 Valentine's Day is coming up and I know
 some of you out there are single, but don't
 fret. Now you can give yourself chlamydia!
 You don't need to go dumpster diving at a
 sorority house to make friends with these
 cute little guys.

 Retron 3 SNES/NES/Genesis Game System
 $59.99
 Yeah, I know."Holy shit peanutbitter this is
 sixty fucking dollars!" I get it, but I think that
 if you have the
 money, this would be a
 worthwhile investment. Those old consoles
 in our closets have seen better days. I think it
 would be nice to get a modern remake of all
 three in one. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than
 buying these three consoles back in their day
 LifeStraw Personal Water Filter
 $19.99
 This could definitely be a life saver. It filters
 water as you suck it in.I might buy one of
 these and put it in my glove compartment in
 my car. If you get stuck in the middle of
 nowhere, it'd be nice to be able to drink
 straight from a fucking river

 iTouchless Bag Resealer
 $16.98
 This is one of those inventions that was just a
 good fucking idea. Now you never have to go
 looking for that little chip clip thing that
 doesn't really work too well at keeping stuf
 fresh
 4,500 Live Ladybugs
 $17.99
 Honestly, I'm not really sure why anybody
 would want 4,500 ladybugs, but why the fuck
 not? They're only 18 dollars. That's about 0.4
 cents per bug.
novelty-gift-ideas:You can buy these stuffs here
                
            

            
            
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    Children, Comfortable, and Parents: AHSIEH

 Should Climate Change Be Taught In School?
 Schools should teach about
 Schools should teach that
 Schools should not teach
 Don't know
 climate change and its impacts
 on our environment, economy
 and society
 anything about climate change
 climate change exists, but not
 the potential impacts
 100%
 6%
 7%
 9%
 13%
 17%
 8%
 6%
 10%
 10%
 80%
 12%
 16%
 17%
 12%
 60%
 17%
 81%
 40%
 74%
 68%
 66%
 49%
 20%
 0%
 Overall
 Teachers
 Parents
 Democrats
 Republicans
 Source: NPR/lpsos polls of 1,007 U.S. adults conducted March 21-22 and 505 teachers conducted March 21-29. The credibility interval for the overall
 sample is 3.5 percentage points; parents, 7.3 percentage points; and teachers, 5.0 percentage points. Totals may not add up to 100 percent because
 of rounding.
 npr
 Credit: Alyson Hurt/NPR

 Teachers Who Cover Climate Change Differ From Those Who Don't
 Teach climate change
 All teachers
 Don't teach climate change
 Overall: 71%
 I feel comfortable answering students'
 questions about climate change
 91%
 56%
 Overall: 52%
 There should be state laws in place that
 require teaching climate change
 38%
 70%
 Thave the resources I need to answer
 students' questions about
 climate change
 Overall: 51%
 77%
 32%
 Overall: 41%
 My students have brought up climate
 change in the classroom this year
 14%
 78%
 My school or school district encourages
 us to discuss climate change in the
 Overall: 37%
 classroom
 64%
 18%
 Overall: 29%
 I worry about parent complaints when it
 comes to teaching climate change
 29% 30%
 Overall: 21%
 I would be personally uncomfortable if I
 had to teach about climate change
 15%
 27%
 0%
 25%
 50%
 75%
 100%
 Source: NPR/Ipsos polls of 505 teachers conducted March 21-29. The credibility interval for the overall sample is 5 percentage points.
 npr
 Credit: Alyson Hurt/NPR
npr:
More than 80% of parents in the U.S. support the teaching of climate change. And that support crosses political divides, according to the results of an exclusive new NPR/Ipsos poll: Whether they have children or not, two-thirds of Republicans and 9 in 10 Democrats agree that the subject needs to be taught in school.
A separate poll of teachers found that they are even more supportive, in theory — 86% agree that climate change should be taught.
These polls are among the first to gauge public and teacher opinion on how climate change should be taught to the generation that in the coming years will face its intensifying consequences: children.
And yet, as millions of students around the globe participate in Earth Day events on Monday, our poll also found a disconnect. Although most states have classroom standards that at least mention human-caused climate change, most teachers aren’t actually talking about climate change in their classrooms. And fewer than half of parents have discussed the issue with their children.
Most Teachers Don’t Teach Climate Change; 4 In 5 Parents Wish They Did
Illustration: Angela Hsieh/NPRCharts: Alyson Hurt/NPR

    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                Children, Comfortable, and Parents: AHSIEH

 Should Climate Change Be Taught In School?
 Schools should teach about
 Schools should teach that
 Schools should not teach
 Don't know
 climate change and its impacts
 on our environment, economy
 and society
 anything about climate change
 climate change exists, but not
 the potential impacts
 100%
 6%
 7%
 9%
 13%
 17%
 8%
 6%
 10%
 10%
 80%
 12%
 16%
 17%
 12%
 60%
 17%
 81%
 40%
 74%
 68%
 66%
 49%
 20%
 0%
 Overall
 Teachers
 Parents
 Democrats
 Republicans
 Source: NPR/lpsos polls of 1,007 U.S. adults conducted March 21-22 and 505 teachers conducted March 21-29. The credibility interval for the overall
 sample is 3.5 percentage points; parents, 7.3 percentage points; and teachers, 5.0 percentage points. Totals may not add up to 100 percent because
 of rounding.
 npr
 Credit: Alyson Hurt/NPR

 Teachers Who Cover Climate Change Differ From Those Who Don't
 Teach climate change
 All teachers
 Don't teach climate change
 Overall: 71%
 I feel comfortable answering students'
 questions about climate change
 91%
 56%
 Overall: 52%
 There should be state laws in place that
 require teaching climate change
 38%
 70%
 Thave the resources I need to answer
 students' questions about
 climate change
 Overall: 51%
 77%
 32%
 Overall: 41%
 My students have brought up climate
 change in the classroom this year
 14%
 78%
 My school or school district encourages
 us to discuss climate change in the
 Overall: 37%
 classroom
 64%
 18%
 Overall: 29%
 I worry about parent complaints when it
 comes to teaching climate change
 29% 30%
 Overall: 21%
 I would be personally uncomfortable if I
 had to teach about climate change
 15%
 27%
 0%
 25%
 50%
 75%
 100%
 Source: NPR/Ipsos polls of 505 teachers conducted March 21-29. The credibility interval for the overall sample is 5 percentage points.
 npr
 Credit: Alyson Hurt/NPR
npr:
More than 80% of parents in the U.S. support the teaching of climate change. And that support crosses political divides, according to the results of an exclusive new NPR/Ipsos poll: Whether they have children or not, two-thirds of Republicans and 9 in 10 Democrats agree that the subject needs to be taught in school.
A separate poll of teachers found that they are even more supportive, in theory — 86% agree that climate change should be taught.
These polls are among the first to gauge public and teacher opinion on how climate change should be taught to the generation that in the coming years will face its intensifying consequences: children.
And yet, as millions of students around the globe participate in Earth Day events on Monday, our poll also found a disconnect. Although most states have classroom standards that at least mention human-caused climate change, most teachers aren’t actually talking about climate change in their classrooms. And fewer than half of parents have discussed the issue with their children.
Most Teachers Don’t Teach Climate Change; 4 In 5 Parents Wish They Did
Illustration: Angela Hsieh/NPRCharts: Alyson Hurt/NPR

                
            

            
            
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    Crime, Facts, and Guns: New Zealand
 POLICE
 Ngs Piihimana O Aetearo
 NOTICE TO SURRENDER AIRGUN OR ANTIQUE FIREARM
 To
 Of
 Adam John HOLLAND
 Queenstown
 PURSUANT TO SECTION 41, ARMS ACT 1983
 1, Inspector Olaf Karl Jensen, a Commissioned Officer of Police, hereby give notice that in
 my opinion you are not a fit and proper person to be in possession of an airgun or an antique
 firearm. Police are currently holding the following described airguns.
 1 x Ruger Blackhawk .177 calibre Air rifle
 1 x Hatsun Striker 177 calibre Air Rifle
 You may within three months after the date of this Notice or such longer period as the
 Commissioner of Police may allow, sell or otherwise dispose of any airgun or antique firearm
 owned by you to a person approved for this purpose by a member of the Police.
 antique firearms delivered to a member of the Police may be
 as the Commissioner of Police thinks fit, or may, in the discretion
 Failing that, all airguns
 detained for such a period
 of the Minister of Police, become the property of the Crown, free and discharged from all
 right, title or interest possess in respect thereof by any person.
 or
 You may by way of origination application, appeal to a District Court Judge against this
 Notice. (Section 62, Arms Act 1983 refers).
 My reason for this decision is as follows:
 1. I do not believe you to be a fit and proper person to be in possession of an airgun.
 2. Police hold serious concerns
 regarding your mental and emotional wellbeing.
 Should you wish me to review my decision or you dispute the facts you may make written
 submissions or arrange an appointment with me within two weeks of the date of this notice.
 Any submissions you do make must be accompanied by a letter from a medical
 practitioner attesting to your mental and emotional wellbeing at this time.
 stor
 Dated at
 this
 of
 20
 Commissioned Officer of Police
prolifeproliberty:
cominuteman:

strict-constitutionalist:


whiskey-gunpowder:


weatherman667:

whiskey-gunpowder:
we’re not coming for your guns…. we just want the military grade assault fully semi-automatic weapon of wars off the street… now turn in your airgun
“…in my opinion you are not a fit and proper person to be in possession…”
They have the right to unilaterally decide who has the right to own firearms.

this is the end game for the red flag laws. a deranged leftist’s opinion saying your unfit. and to those in the notes asking what made him unfit… the thought crime of supporting POTUS. 


This isn’t the end game. It’s the first step on the way to the end game. You’re delusional if you think the agenda stops there. Look at Europe if you want to know what the goal is


They obviously had to have gun registration for them to know exactly what guns he owned.  First registration followed by confiscation.


This is why we don’t let terrorists dictate our laws.

    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                Crime, Facts, and Guns: New Zealand
 POLICE
 Ngs Piihimana O Aetearo
 NOTICE TO SURRENDER AIRGUN OR ANTIQUE FIREARM
 To
 Of
 Adam John HOLLAND
 Queenstown
 PURSUANT TO SECTION 41, ARMS ACT 1983
 1, Inspector Olaf Karl Jensen, a Commissioned Officer of Police, hereby give notice that in
 my opinion you are not a fit and proper person to be in possession of an airgun or an antique
 firearm. Police are currently holding the following described airguns.
 1 x Ruger Blackhawk .177 calibre Air rifle
 1 x Hatsun Striker 177 calibre Air Rifle
 You may within three months after the date of this Notice or such longer period as the
 Commissioner of Police may allow, sell or otherwise dispose of any airgun or antique firearm
 owned by you to a person approved for this purpose by a member of the Police.
 antique firearms delivered to a member of the Police may be
 as the Commissioner of Police thinks fit, or may, in the discretion
 Failing that, all airguns
 detained for such a period
 of the Minister of Police, become the property of the Crown, free and discharged from all
 right, title or interest possess in respect thereof by any person.
 or
 You may by way of origination application, appeal to a District Court Judge against this
 Notice. (Section 62, Arms Act 1983 refers).
 My reason for this decision is as follows:
 1. I do not believe you to be a fit and proper person to be in possession of an airgun.
 2. Police hold serious concerns
 regarding your mental and emotional wellbeing.
 Should you wish me to review my decision or you dispute the facts you may make written
 submissions or arrange an appointment with me within two weeks of the date of this notice.
 Any submissions you do make must be accompanied by a letter from a medical
 practitioner attesting to your mental and emotional wellbeing at this time.
 stor
 Dated at
 this
 of
 20
 Commissioned Officer of Police
prolifeproliberty:
cominuteman:

strict-constitutionalist:


whiskey-gunpowder:


weatherman667:

whiskey-gunpowder:
we’re not coming for your guns…. we just want the military grade assault fully semi-automatic weapon of wars off the street… now turn in your airgun
“…in my opinion you are not a fit and proper person to be in possession…”
They have the right to unilaterally decide who has the right to own firearms.

this is the end game for the red flag laws. a deranged leftist’s opinion saying your unfit. and to those in the notes asking what made him unfit… the thought crime of supporting POTUS. 


This isn’t the end game. It’s the first step on the way to the end game. You’re delusional if you think the agenda stops there. Look at Europe if you want to know what the goal is


They obviously had to have gun registration for them to know exactly what guns he owned.  First registration followed by confiscation.


This is why we don’t let terrorists dictate our laws.

                
            

            
            
prolifeproliberty:
cominuteman:

strict-constitutionalist:


whiskey-gunpowder:


weatherman667:

whiskey-gunpowder:
we’re not coming for yo...

            
            
        

    



        

            
        
        

            




    Bad, Children, and Fail: POINT/COUNTERPOINT
 This War Will Destabilize The Entire Mideast
 Region And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of
 Anti-Americanism vs. No It Won't
 Nathan Eckert and Bob Sheffer
 f
 3/26/03 3:00pm. SEE MORE: OPINION
 This War Will Destabilize The Entire Mideast
 Region And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of Anti-
 Americanism
 George W. Bush may think that a war against Iraq is the
 solution to our problems, but the reality is, it will only serve
 to create far more.
 This war will not put an end to anti-Americanism; it will fan
 the flames of hatred even higher. It will not end the threat of
 weapons of mass destruction; it will make possible their
 further proliferation. And it will not lay the groundwork for
 the flourishing of democracy throughout the Mideast; it will
 harden the resolve of Arab states to drive out all Western (i.e
 Nathan Eckert
 U.S.) influence.

 If you thought Osama bin Laden was bad, just wait until the countless children
 who become orphaned by U.S. bombs in the coming weeks are all grown up. Do
 you think they will forget what country dropped the bombs that killed their
 parents? In 10 or 15 years, we will look back fondly on the days when there
 were only a few thousand Middle Easterners dedicated to destroying the U.S
 and willing to die for the fundamentalist cause. From this war, a million bin
 Ladens will bloom
 And what exactly is our endgame here? Do we really believe that we can install
 Gen. Tommy Franks as the ruler of Iraq? Is our arrogance and hubris so great
 that we actually believe that a U.S. provisional military regime will be
 welcomed with open arms by the Iraqi people? Democracy cannot possibly
 thrive under coercion. To take over a country and impose one's own system of
 government without regard for the people of that country is the very antithesis
 of democracy. And it is doomed to fail
 A war against Iraq is not only morally wrong, it will be an unmitigated
 disaster

 No It Won't
 No it won't
 It just won't. None of that will happen
 You're getting worked up over nothing. Everything is going to
 be fine. So just relax, okay? You're really overreacting
 "This war will not put an end to anti-Americanism; it will fan
 the flames of hatred even higher"?
 It won't
 Bob Sheffer
 "It will harden the resolve of Arab states to drive out all
 Western (i.e. U.S.) influence"?
 Not really
 "A war against Iraq is not only morally wrong, it will be an unmitigated
 disaster"?

 Sorry, no, I disagree
 "To take over a country and impose one's own system of government without
 regard for the people of that country is the very antithesis of democracy"?
 You are completely wrong
 Trust me, it's all going to work out perfect. Nothing bad is going to happen
 It's all under control.
 Why do you keep saying these things? I can tell when there's trouble looming
 and I really don't sens
 se that right now. We're in control of this situation, and
 we know what we're doing. So stop being so pessimistic
 Look, you've been proven wrong, so stop talking. You've had your say already
 Be quiet, okay? Everything's fine.
 You're wrong
sexhaver:
this is from 2003
    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                Bad, Children, and Fail: POINT/COUNTERPOINT
 This War Will Destabilize The Entire Mideast
 Region And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of
 Anti-Americanism vs. No It Won't
 Nathan Eckert and Bob Sheffer
 f
 3/26/03 3:00pm. SEE MORE: OPINION
 This War Will Destabilize The Entire Mideast
 Region And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of Anti-
 Americanism
 George W. Bush may think that a war against Iraq is the
 solution to our problems, but the reality is, it will only serve
 to create far more.
 This war will not put an end to anti-Americanism; it will fan
 the flames of hatred even higher. It will not end the threat of
 weapons of mass destruction; it will make possible their
 further proliferation. And it will not lay the groundwork for
 the flourishing of democracy throughout the Mideast; it will
 harden the resolve of Arab states to drive out all Western (i.e
 Nathan Eckert
 U.S.) influence.

 If you thought Osama bin Laden was bad, just wait until the countless children
 who become orphaned by U.S. bombs in the coming weeks are all grown up. Do
 you think they will forget what country dropped the bombs that killed their
 parents? In 10 or 15 years, we will look back fondly on the days when there
 were only a few thousand Middle Easterners dedicated to destroying the U.S
 and willing to die for the fundamentalist cause. From this war, a million bin
 Ladens will bloom
 And what exactly is our endgame here? Do we really believe that we can install
 Gen. Tommy Franks as the ruler of Iraq? Is our arrogance and hubris so great
 that we actually believe that a U.S. provisional military regime will be
 welcomed with open arms by the Iraqi people? Democracy cannot possibly
 thrive under coercion. To take over a country and impose one's own system of
 government without regard for the people of that country is the very antithesis
 of democracy. And it is doomed to fail
 A war against Iraq is not only morally wrong, it will be an unmitigated
 disaster

 No It Won't
 No it won't
 It just won't. None of that will happen
 You're getting worked up over nothing. Everything is going to
 be fine. So just relax, okay? You're really overreacting
 "This war will not put an end to anti-Americanism; it will fan
 the flames of hatred even higher"?
 It won't
 Bob Sheffer
 "It will harden the resolve of Arab states to drive out all
 Western (i.e. U.S.) influence"?
 Not really
 "A war against Iraq is not only morally wrong, it will be an unmitigated
 disaster"?

 Sorry, no, I disagree
 "To take over a country and impose one's own system of government without
 regard for the people of that country is the very antithesis of democracy"?
 You are completely wrong
 Trust me, it's all going to work out perfect. Nothing bad is going to happen
 It's all under control.
 Why do you keep saying these things? I can tell when there's trouble looming
 and I really don't sens
 se that right now. We're in control of this situation, and
 we know what we're doing. So stop being so pessimistic
 Look, you've been proven wrong, so stop talking. You've had your say already
 Be quiet, okay? Everything's fine.
 You're wrong
sexhaver:
this is from 2003
                
            

            
            
sexhaver:
this is from 2003