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    Bad, Chelsea, and Homeless: The Telegraph
 @Telegraph
 Follow
 Former rough sleeper Ed Sheeran wins
 permission for "anti-homeless" gates outside
 Ā£8m London home
 Former rough sleeper Ed Sheeran wins permission for "anti-homeless" gates..
 Pop superstar Ed Sheeran, who spent nights sleeping rough on the streets of
 London early in his career, has won planning permission to install "anti-homeless" r...
 telegraph.co.uk
feminismisahatemovement:

holybucketbatman:

fuck-ler:

capatalismnt:
Please donā€™t pay for his music.

also donā€™t listen to it, itā€™s extremely bad

Heā€™s wanting to do this to his home:Ā 
He submitted the proposal to the Kensington and Chelsea Borough Council and the plan was rejected because the proposed four-foot-high railings (fence) and simple cast iron gate (which was chosen purely privacy and security for the front of the home) were considered ā€œtoo domesticā€ looking for the former industrial area. The council gave Sheeran a list of options for privacy ā€œrailingsā€,Ā and after changing the proposal Sheeran was given permission that was more in line with the neighbourhood, which is in a conservation area.Ā  A direct quote from Sheeran states: ā€œDear Natalie Edwards from The Sun newspaper. Your story is bollocks, I have done lots of work in the past for Crisis and Shelter and would never build railings outside my home for that reason.The reason was to keep the paps that you employ from being on my doorstep. Have a good day.ā€ this comment has been substantiated by the local police and security companies that Sheeran and his neighbours have had to contact previously when paparazziĀ have been taking photographs not only of Sheeranā€™s house but inside his windows, and constantly knocking on his door and yelling outside his house.Ā Think about this for a moment, a guy bought a house and fixed it up, he was trying to gain some privacy by asking for a simple fence and gate to indicate the property line and gain some distance from the paps, - which the police and council said was fine - and the newspapers who can no longer use these ill-gotten photos and are probably pissed have managed to spin this story to make it seem that this guy (whether you like his music or not), is an asshole and is anti-homeless. And youā€™re all eating this shit up and believing the newspapers, even though the Sun and Telegraph are well known across the UK for making shit up and lying. smh.Ā 

These days you have to fact-check 97% of newspaper articles as much as reddit trolls.
    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                Bad, Chelsea, and Homeless: The Telegraph
 @Telegraph
 Follow
 Former rough sleeper Ed Sheeran wins
 permission for "anti-homeless" gates outside
 Ā£8m London home
 Former rough sleeper Ed Sheeran wins permission for "anti-homeless" gates..
 Pop superstar Ed Sheeran, who spent nights sleeping rough on the streets of
 London early in his career, has won planning permission to install "anti-homeless" r...
 telegraph.co.uk
feminismisahatemovement:

holybucketbatman:

fuck-ler:

capatalismnt:
Please donā€™t pay for his music.

also donā€™t listen to it, itā€™s extremely bad

Heā€™s wanting to do this to his home:Ā 
He submitted the proposal to the Kensington and Chelsea Borough Council and the plan was rejected because the proposed four-foot-high railings (fence) and simple cast iron gate (which was chosen purely privacy and security for the front of the home) were considered ā€œtoo domesticā€ looking for the former industrial area. The council gave Sheeran a list of options for privacy ā€œrailingsā€,Ā and after changing the proposal Sheeran was given permission that was more in line with the neighbourhood, which is in a conservation area.Ā  A direct quote from Sheeran states: ā€œDear Natalie Edwards from The Sun newspaper. Your story is bollocks, I have done lots of work in the past for Crisis and Shelter and would never build railings outside my home for that reason.The reason was to keep the paps that you employ from being on my doorstep. Have a good day.ā€ this comment has been substantiated by the local police and security companies that Sheeran and his neighbours have had to contact previously when paparazziĀ have been taking photographs not only of Sheeranā€™s house but inside his windows, and constantly knocking on his door and yelling outside his house.Ā Think about this for a moment, a guy bought a house and fixed it up, he was trying to gain some privacy by asking for a simple fence and gate to indicate the property line and gain some distance from the paps, - which the police and council said was fine - and the newspapers who can no longer use these ill-gotten photos and are probably pissed have managed to spin this story to make it seem that this guy (whether you like his music or not), is an asshole and is anti-homeless. And youā€™re all eating this shit up and believing the newspapers, even though the Sun and Telegraph are well known across the UK for making shit up and lying. smh.Ā 

These days you have to fact-check 97% of newspaper articles as much as reddit trolls.
                
            

            
            
feminismisahatemovement:

holybucketbatman:

fuck-ler:

capatalismnt:
Please donā€™t pay for his music.

also donā€™t listen to it, itā€™s extreme...

            
            
        

    



        

            
        
        

            



        

            
        
        

            



        

            
        
        

            



        

            
        
        

            



        

            
        
        

            



        

            
        
        

            



        

            
        
        

            




    Massage, Money, and Scrubs: Will you have loose skin after losing 50 pounds?
 Sajib Howlader, Health Adviser (2014-present)
 Answered 1h ago
 8

 If you have flaccid skin after losing weight, do not blame yourself.
 This is nature.
 Fortunately, this does not mean that you must live forever with that skin that
 fact there are several very effective strategies.
 You can use to get back the firmness in your skin and achieve the slim and toned
 body for which you have worked with so much effort and dedication.

 For yourself:
 * Develop muscle mass: by developing muscle, you can effectively "fill'"
 areas with excess skin, this will make it tense. For men lifting weights is
 an excellent starting point, for women doing resistance exercises such
 as push-ups, leg lifts and sit-ups are a good option.
 Try a sea salt scrub: scrubs increase blood circulation, thus stimulating
 the healthy production of elastic and collagen, both necessary to restore
 firmness to your skin. Apply the exfoliate in the shower about 3 times a
 week to get the best results
 Get a massage: just like the sea salt scrub, massages stimulate blood
 circulation and these can improve the health of your skin and its general
 elasticity. Although this is not a proven method, it will not do any harm,
 in fact vou will be more relaxed than ever before,
 Take vitamin C: if you are not eating an orange a day, it may be a good
 time to start with this habit. Vitamin C is essential for the production of
 collagen, we must obtain enough vitamin C to give our skin the ability to
 re-tense and shrink as before,
 Fill with cream: there are many creams available on the market
 designed to firm the skin and stimulate the production of elastin and
 collagen. Just make sure you do a thorough investigation to choose a
 reliable and good quality product. This way you avoid wasting your
 money.

 . Drinklots ofwater: staying well hydrated is vital for skin elasticity, so
 be sure to take Water all day, every day. You can also eat fruits and
 vegetables rich in water to increase your hydration, if you do not like the
 idea of carrying a bottle of water with you always.
 Wrap yourself up: there is a treatment called body wrapping that has
 helped many people.With this technique, a lotion is applied to thee
 problem area, which usually contains honey, clay, chocolate or
 something similar and then wrapped with a plastic. You relax for a half
 hour while this wrap does its job of detoxifying and cleansing your skin
 Although the results of this method have not been scientifically proven,
 many women claim to see results after just one treatment.
 Stay moist: the more moisturized your skin is, the easier it is to
 reproduce new cells. To give your skin the chance to recover, try to keep
 it as moist as possible. Use a cream that contains vitamin E or you can
 also use an oil like coconut oil,
 .
 If possible, focus on a gradual and healthy weight loss, in this way you can avoid
 flaccidity, because you will give your skin enough time to adjust to changes in
 your body.
 284 Views
fat-acceptance-dropout:
If you have flaccid skin after losing weight, do not blame yourself.
This is nature.
Fortunately, this does not mean that you must live forever with that skin that fact there are several very effective strategies.
You can use to get back the firmness in your skin and achieve the slim and toned body for which you have worked with so much effort and dedication.
See Special - Dreaming About Your Perfect Body?
For yourself:

Develop muscle mass: by developing muscle, you can effectively ā€œfillā€ areas with excess skin, this will make it tense. For men lifting weights is an excellent starting point, for women doing resistance exercises such as push-ups, leg lifts and sit-ups are a good option.

Try a sea salt scrub: scrubs increase blood circulation, thus stimulating the healthy production of elastic and collagen, both necessary to restore firmness to your skin. Apply the exfoliate in the shower about 3 times a week to get the best results.

Get a massage: just like the sea salt scrub, massages stimulate blood circulation and these can improve the health of your skin and its general elasticity. Although this is not a proven method, it will not do any harm, in fact you will be more relaxed than ever before.

Take vitamin C: if you are not eating an orange a day, it may be a good time to start with this habit. Vitamin C is essential for the production of collagen, we must obtain enough vitamin C to give our skin the ability to re-tense and shrink as before.

Fill with cream: there are many creams available on the market designed to firm the skin and stimulate the production of elastin and collagen. Just make sure you do a thorough investigation to choose a reliable and good quality product. This way you avoid wasting your money.

Drink lots of water: staying well hydrated is vital for skin elasticity, so be sure to take Water all day, every day. You can also eat fruits and vegetables rich in water to increase your hydration, if you do not like the idea of carrying a bottle of water with you always.

Wrap yourself up: there is a treatment called body wrapping that has helped many people.With this technique, a lotion is applied to the problem area, which usually contains honey, clay, chocolate or something similar and then wrapped with a plastic. You relax for a half hour while this wrap does its job of detoxifying and cleansing your skin. Although the results of this method have not been scientifically proven, many women claim to see results after just one treatment.

Stay moist: the more moisturized your skin is, the easier it is to reproduce new cells. To give your skin the chance to recover, try to keep it as moist as possible. Use a cream that contains vitamin E or you can also use an oil like coconut oil.
If possible, focus on a gradual and healthy weight loss, in this way you can avoid flaccidity, because you will give your skin enough time to adjust to changes in your body.

Source:Ā Sajib Howlader, Health Adviser (2014-present)

    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                Massage, Money, and Scrubs: Will you have loose skin after losing 50 pounds?
 Sajib Howlader, Health Adviser (2014-present)
 Answered 1h ago
 8

 If you have flaccid skin after losing weight, do not blame yourself.
 This is nature.
 Fortunately, this does not mean that you must live forever with that skin that
 fact there are several very effective strategies.
 You can use to get back the firmness in your skin and achieve the slim and toned
 body for which you have worked with so much effort and dedication.

 For yourself:
 * Develop muscle mass: by developing muscle, you can effectively "fill'"
 areas with excess skin, this will make it tense. For men lifting weights is
 an excellent starting point, for women doing resistance exercises such
 as push-ups, leg lifts and sit-ups are a good option.
 Try a sea salt scrub: scrubs increase blood circulation, thus stimulating
 the healthy production of elastic and collagen, both necessary to restore
 firmness to your skin. Apply the exfoliate in the shower about 3 times a
 week to get the best results
 Get a massage: just like the sea salt scrub, massages stimulate blood
 circulation and these can improve the health of your skin and its general
 elasticity. Although this is not a proven method, it will not do any harm,
 in fact vou will be more relaxed than ever before,
 Take vitamin C: if you are not eating an orange a day, it may be a good
 time to start with this habit. Vitamin C is essential for the production of
 collagen, we must obtain enough vitamin C to give our skin the ability to
 re-tense and shrink as before,
 Fill with cream: there are many creams available on the market
 designed to firm the skin and stimulate the production of elastin and
 collagen. Just make sure you do a thorough investigation to choose a
 reliable and good quality product. This way you avoid wasting your
 money.

 . Drinklots ofwater: staying well hydrated is vital for skin elasticity, so
 be sure to take Water all day, every day. You can also eat fruits and
 vegetables rich in water to increase your hydration, if you do not like the
 idea of carrying a bottle of water with you always.
 Wrap yourself up: there is a treatment called body wrapping that has
 helped many people.With this technique, a lotion is applied to thee
 problem area, which usually contains honey, clay, chocolate or
 something similar and then wrapped with a plastic. You relax for a half
 hour while this wrap does its job of detoxifying and cleansing your skin
 Although the results of this method have not been scientifically proven,
 many women claim to see results after just one treatment.
 Stay moist: the more moisturized your skin is, the easier it is to
 reproduce new cells. To give your skin the chance to recover, try to keep
 it as moist as possible. Use a cream that contains vitamin E or you can
 also use an oil like coconut oil,
 .
 If possible, focus on a gradual and healthy weight loss, in this way you can avoid
 flaccidity, because you will give your skin enough time to adjust to changes in
 your body.
 284 Views
fat-acceptance-dropout:
If you have flaccid skin after losing weight, do not blame yourself.
This is nature.
Fortunately, this does not mean that you must live forever with that skin that fact there are several very effective strategies.
You can use to get back the firmness in your skin and achieve the slim and toned body for which you have worked with so much effort and dedication.
See Special - Dreaming About Your Perfect Body?
For yourself:

Develop muscle mass: by developing muscle, you can effectively ā€œfillā€ areas with excess skin, this will make it tense. For men lifting weights is an excellent starting point, for women doing resistance exercises such as push-ups, leg lifts and sit-ups are a good option.

Try a sea salt scrub: scrubs increase blood circulation, thus stimulating the healthy production of elastic and collagen, both necessary to restore firmness to your skin. Apply the exfoliate in the shower about 3 times a week to get the best results.

Get a massage: just like the sea salt scrub, massages stimulate blood circulation and these can improve the health of your skin and its general elasticity. Although this is not a proven method, it will not do any harm, in fact you will be more relaxed than ever before.

Take vitamin C: if you are not eating an orange a day, it may be a good time to start with this habit. Vitamin C is essential for the production of collagen, we must obtain enough vitamin C to give our skin the ability to re-tense and shrink as before.

Fill with cream: there are many creams available on the market designed to firm the skin and stimulate the production of elastin and collagen. Just make sure you do a thorough investigation to choose a reliable and good quality product. This way you avoid wasting your money.

Drink lots of water: staying well hydrated is vital for skin elasticity, so be sure to take Water all day, every day. You can also eat fruits and vegetables rich in water to increase your hydration, if you do not like the idea of carrying a bottle of water with you always.

Wrap yourself up: there is a treatment called body wrapping that has helped many people.With this technique, a lotion is applied to the problem area, which usually contains honey, clay, chocolate or something similar and then wrapped with a plastic. You relax for a half hour while this wrap does its job of detoxifying and cleansing your skin. Although the results of this method have not been scientifically proven, many women claim to see results after just one treatment.

Stay moist: the more moisturized your skin is, the easier it is to reproduce new cells. To give your skin the chance to recover, try to keep it as moist as possible. Use a cream that contains vitamin E or you can also use an oil like coconut oil.
If possible, focus on a gradual and healthy weight loss, in this way you can avoid flaccidity, because you will give your skin enough time to adjust to changes in your body.

Source:Ā Sajib Howlader, Health Adviser (2014-present)

                
            

            
            
fat-acceptance-dropout:
If you have flaccid skin after losing weight, do not blame yourself.
This is nature.
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    Adam Driver, Anaconda, and Apparently: Sean T. Collins
 Follow
 @theseantcollins
 weird that the person they went after
 from Ghostbusters was Leslie Jones.
 weird that the person they went after
 from Star Wars was Kelly Marie Tran.
 what on earth could explain this
 5:29 AM 5 Jun 2018
 7,482 Retweets 31,087 Likes
rockyrz:
libertarirynn:


siryouarebeingmocked:

grumpy-goompa:

siryouarebeingmocked:

skeleton-jack:

cookingwithroxy:

siryouarebeingmocked:

derpomatic:

siryouarebeingmocked:

theunnamedstranger:

siryouarebeingmocked:

theindependentconservative:

siryouarebeingmocked:

friendly-neighborhood-ehrhardt:

triggeredmedia:
Bad acting and bad characters?
other actors in those movies/franchises got shit from trolls too.
melissa mccarthy. hayden christiansen. jake lloyd. laura dern.
the difference is that all these media outlets didnt declare it a public crises  keep reporting on it months after it was news.
Ā in fact, jake lloyd probably got it worse than anyone, being an actual child at the time  being traumatized for years because of bullying, but no one cared at the time  now it only gets brought up as a tacked on example when talking about those awful modern star wars fans.  hes a straight white man. what on earth could explain this?
 in leslie jones case, she turned it into an internet slap fight  drew much more attention to her when before that she was getting no more shit than the other leads.
look, we should always separate the actor from their role  people who attack an actor personally for a role are scumbags, but stop injecting racism  sexism into everything  then using it as a shield against actual valid criticism.

Not to mention Adam Driver. Heā€™s still getting crapped on. People complained that he was playing a Jewish guy infiltrating the Klan in a historical Spike Lee movie, even though he isnā€™t Jewish, which is apparently Not Allowed.
These are popular franchises. If a fraction of a percent of their fans are knob-ends who harass people, that would seem overwhelming to the person on the receiving end.

Not to mention Reyā€™s a Mary Sure now and everyone called it.

You do remember that I disagree with the majority opinion, right?
Also, people were calling her a Mary Sue from the first movie. Sometimes based on things that literally didnā€™t happen, likeĀ ā€œbeing a better pilot than Hanā€.

On a ship she had literally never seen before in her life until she could pilot it BETTER than someone whoā€™s had it forever.Thatā€™s bullshit.



On a ship she had literally never seen before in her life 


You mean the ship that she explicitly calledĀ ā€œjunkā€? The one she says she advised against certain modifications for? The one owned by the Quarter Portion guy, who used to be her guardian, as we see in the flashback?
How does Rey fly the ship better than Han? Please, I havenā€™t seen a single piece of evidence for this in over two and a half years, but itā€™s treated as gospel.Ā 
Heck, he didnā€™t even ā€œhave it foreverā€, he lost it years, maybe decades ago.

Better than Han is less important than outflying two Ties on her first attempt.

Only due to home ground advantage, vs. two fighters designed mainly for space combat with horrible aerodynamics, and even then, she got Finnā€™s turret shot.
Also, sheā€™s all-but-explicitly shown to be using The Force. The dialogue draws attention to the fact that sheā€™s flying better than she expects.

ā€˜somebody did a thing that is entirely understandable given the context of the prior movies and the actual text of the movie at hand. But for some reason I missed these obvious things so yarrr!ā€™


No I fully accept the explanations for it. I still think it was poorly done and added to Reyā€™s perception as a Mary Sue who faces no real challenges and succeeds at everything.
That thereā€™s an explanation for what sheā€™s doing and how sheā€™s doing it doesnā€™t change that I and many people think she shouldnā€™t be doing it in the first place.

So, shedloads of people apparently ignored or missed the clear on-screen evidence to complain about this aspect of the movie, but itā€™s still the movieā€™s fault that theyā€™re wrong, even when theyā€™re making claims which they could not have reasonably arrived at (EG Reyā€™s a better pilot than Han.), and the only possible explanation isĀ ā€œfandom misconceptionsā€?

just because she succeeded (lived) doesnā€™t mean Rey herself experienced these things as ā€˜easyā€™. how many movies out there does the hero do something unexpectedly and benefit from the results? like maybe all of them? movies would be boring if characters are powerless the entire time until the exact one moment they need to win. they need to succeed and stumble a little bit along the way. little wins and little losses until the end. if she got her arm cut off, would that remove peopleā€™s mary sue label?

Thing is, people ignore the actual struggles she went through just because they have a Narrative. She didnā€™t just beat Kylo, he knocked her out pretty much instantly, and then Fin bought her time, and then she temporarily forced Ben back (IIRC, the book says she tapped into the Dark Side). We donā€™t even know if he wouldā€™ve been able to win if he got up, or even if he could get up. And this was while Kylo was bleeding out from a high-powered weapon, which the movie takes pain to remind us of.
But the fanbase acts like Rey apparently beat Ben with one hand tied behind her back, wearing a blindfold, while suffering from some hideous space-combination of Avian Flu and Ebola Zaire.

Iā€™m so glad Iā€™m not crazy. I thought I was the only one in the more conservative camp that doesnā€™t agree that Rey is a Mary Sue. There is lots of in-text explanation for why she excels at certain things as well as the time honored ā€œbecause the Forceā€œ answer which has applied to a lot of characters besides her. And she absolutely does have struggles even if they are primarily in emotional conflict and wrestling with her untapped strength and insecurities about her origins. These are what make the character. Calling the whole character a Mary Sue because ā€œshe fight too goodā€œ is kind of asinine. And donā€™t get me started on how they bitch about her beating Kylo and forget that he was mortally wounded at the time, and bitch about her knowing something about the Millennium Falcon and mechanical engineering despite the fact that she was A PROFESSIONAL JUNKER and the ship had been on her planet probably most of her life giving her plenty of time to explore it.
But yeah pretending that only the minority actors/actresses get harrassed is bullshit.


Rey is 100% a Mary Sue. No training yet managed to beat Kylo Ren, flew a ship across space despite no experience, etc.
@rockyrz did you read literally one word from the post above you or are you just gonna keep shouting ā€œsheā€™s a Mary Sue!ā€œ and ignore all evidence to the contrary?ā€œManaged to beat Kylo Renā€BECAUSE HE WAS FUCKING MORTALLY WOUNDED.ā€œflew a ship across spaceā€BECAUSE SHE HAD JUST STATED SHE WAS A PILOT.Like seriously itā€™s fine if you donā€™t like the movie but you seem kind of dumb if you just straight up ignore the evidence even itā€™s right in front of your face so you can keep saying the same thing over and over.
    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                Adam Driver, Anaconda, and Apparently: Sean T. Collins
 Follow
 @theseantcollins
 weird that the person they went after
 from Ghostbusters was Leslie Jones.
 weird that the person they went after
 from Star Wars was Kelly Marie Tran.
 what on earth could explain this
 5:29 AM 5 Jun 2018
 7,482 Retweets 31,087 Likes
rockyrz:
libertarirynn:


siryouarebeingmocked:

grumpy-goompa:

siryouarebeingmocked:

skeleton-jack:

cookingwithroxy:

siryouarebeingmocked:

derpomatic:

siryouarebeingmocked:

theunnamedstranger:

siryouarebeingmocked:

theindependentconservative:

siryouarebeingmocked:

friendly-neighborhood-ehrhardt:

triggeredmedia:
Bad acting and bad characters?
other actors in those movies/franchises got shit from trolls too.
melissa mccarthy. hayden christiansen. jake lloyd. laura dern.
the difference is that all these media outlets didnt declare it a public crises  keep reporting on it months after it was news.
Ā in fact, jake lloyd probably got it worse than anyone, being an actual child at the time  being traumatized for years because of bullying, but no one cared at the time  now it only gets brought up as a tacked on example when talking about those awful modern star wars fans.  hes a straight white man. what on earth could explain this?
 in leslie jones case, she turned it into an internet slap fight  drew much more attention to her when before that she was getting no more shit than the other leads.
look, we should always separate the actor from their role  people who attack an actor personally for a role are scumbags, but stop injecting racism  sexism into everything  then using it as a shield against actual valid criticism.

Not to mention Adam Driver. Heā€™s still getting crapped on. People complained that he was playing a Jewish guy infiltrating the Klan in a historical Spike Lee movie, even though he isnā€™t Jewish, which is apparently Not Allowed.
These are popular franchises. If a fraction of a percent of their fans are knob-ends who harass people, that would seem overwhelming to the person on the receiving end.

Not to mention Reyā€™s a Mary Sure now and everyone called it.

You do remember that I disagree with the majority opinion, right?
Also, people were calling her a Mary Sue from the first movie. Sometimes based on things that literally didnā€™t happen, likeĀ ā€œbeing a better pilot than Hanā€.

On a ship she had literally never seen before in her life until she could pilot it BETTER than someone whoā€™s had it forever.Thatā€™s bullshit.



On a ship she had literally never seen before in her life 


You mean the ship that she explicitly calledĀ ā€œjunkā€? The one she says she advised against certain modifications for? The one owned by the Quarter Portion guy, who used to be her guardian, as we see in the flashback?
How does Rey fly the ship better than Han? Please, I havenā€™t seen a single piece of evidence for this in over two and a half years, but itā€™s treated as gospel.Ā 
Heck, he didnā€™t even ā€œhave it foreverā€, he lost it years, maybe decades ago.

Better than Han is less important than outflying two Ties on her first attempt.

Only due to home ground advantage, vs. two fighters designed mainly for space combat with horrible aerodynamics, and even then, she got Finnā€™s turret shot.
Also, sheā€™s all-but-explicitly shown to be using The Force. The dialogue draws attention to the fact that sheā€™s flying better than she expects.

ā€˜somebody did a thing that is entirely understandable given the context of the prior movies and the actual text of the movie at hand. But for some reason I missed these obvious things so yarrr!ā€™


No I fully accept the explanations for it. I still think it was poorly done and added to Reyā€™s perception as a Mary Sue who faces no real challenges and succeeds at everything.
That thereā€™s an explanation for what sheā€™s doing and how sheā€™s doing it doesnā€™t change that I and many people think she shouldnā€™t be doing it in the first place.

So, shedloads of people apparently ignored or missed the clear on-screen evidence to complain about this aspect of the movie, but itā€™s still the movieā€™s fault that theyā€™re wrong, even when theyā€™re making claims which they could not have reasonably arrived at (EG Reyā€™s a better pilot than Han.), and the only possible explanation isĀ ā€œfandom misconceptionsā€?

just because she succeeded (lived) doesnā€™t mean Rey herself experienced these things as ā€˜easyā€™. how many movies out there does the hero do something unexpectedly and benefit from the results? like maybe all of them? movies would be boring if characters are powerless the entire time until the exact one moment they need to win. they need to succeed and stumble a little bit along the way. little wins and little losses until the end. if she got her arm cut off, would that remove peopleā€™s mary sue label?

Thing is, people ignore the actual struggles she went through just because they have a Narrative. She didnā€™t just beat Kylo, he knocked her out pretty much instantly, and then Fin bought her time, and then she temporarily forced Ben back (IIRC, the book says she tapped into the Dark Side). We donā€™t even know if he wouldā€™ve been able to win if he got up, or even if he could get up. And this was while Kylo was bleeding out from a high-powered weapon, which the movie takes pain to remind us of.
But the fanbase acts like Rey apparently beat Ben with one hand tied behind her back, wearing a blindfold, while suffering from some hideous space-combination of Avian Flu and Ebola Zaire.

Iā€™m so glad Iā€™m not crazy. I thought I was the only one in the more conservative camp that doesnā€™t agree that Rey is a Mary Sue. There is lots of in-text explanation for why she excels at certain things as well as the time honored ā€œbecause the Forceā€œ answer which has applied to a lot of characters besides her. And she absolutely does have struggles even if they are primarily in emotional conflict and wrestling with her untapped strength and insecurities about her origins. These are what make the character. Calling the whole character a Mary Sue because ā€œshe fight too goodā€œ is kind of asinine. And donā€™t get me started on how they bitch about her beating Kylo and forget that he was mortally wounded at the time, and bitch about her knowing something about the Millennium Falcon and mechanical engineering despite the fact that she was A PROFESSIONAL JUNKER and the ship had been on her planet probably most of her life giving her plenty of time to explore it.
But yeah pretending that only the minority actors/actresses get harrassed is bullshit.


Rey is 100% a Mary Sue. No training yet managed to beat Kylo Ren, flew a ship across space despite no experience, etc.
@rockyrz did you read literally one word from the post above you or are you just gonna keep shouting ā€œsheā€™s a Mary Sue!ā€œ and ignore all evidence to the contrary?ā€œManaged to beat Kylo Renā€BECAUSE HE WAS FUCKING MORTALLY WOUNDED.ā€œflew a ship across spaceā€BECAUSE SHE HAD JUST STATED SHE WAS A PILOT.Like seriously itā€™s fine if you donā€™t like the movie but you seem kind of dumb if you just straight up ignore the evidence even itā€™s right in front of your face so you can keep saying the same thing over and over.
                
            

            
            
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    Adam Driver, Apparently, and Bad: Sean T. Collins
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 weird that the person they went after
 from Ghostbusters was Leslie Jones.
 weird that the person they went after
 from Star Wars was Kelly Marie Tran.
 what on earth could explain this
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Bad acting and bad characters?
other actors in those movies/franchises got shit from trolls too.
melissa mccarthy. hayden christiansen. jake lloyd. laura dern.
the difference is that all these media outlets didnt declare it a public crises  keep reporting on it months after it was news.
Ā in fact, jake lloyd probably got it worse than anyone, being an actual child at the time  being traumatized for years because of bullying, but no one cared at the time  now it only gets brought up as a tacked on example when talking about those awful modern star wars fans.  hes a straight white man. what on earth could explain this?
 in leslie jones case, she turned it into an internet slap fight  drew much more attention to her when before that she was getting no more shit than the other leads.
look, we should always separate the actor from their role  people who attack an actor personally for a role are scumbags, but stop injecting racism  sexism into everything  then using it as a shield against actual valid criticism.

Not to mention Adam Driver. Heā€™s still getting crapped on. People complained that he was playing a Jewish guy infiltrating the Klan in a historical Spike Lee movie, even though he isnā€™t Jewish, which is apparently Not Allowed.
These are popular franchises. If a fraction of a percent of their fans are knob-ends who harass people, that would seem overwhelming to the person on the receiving end.

Not to mention Reyā€™s a Mary Sure now and everyone called it.

You do remember that I disagree with the majority opinion, right?
Also, people were calling her a Mary Sue from the first movie. Sometimes based on things that literally didnā€™t happen, likeĀ ā€œbeing a better pilot than Hanā€.

On a ship she had literally never seen before in her life until she could pilot it BETTER than someone whoā€™s had it forever.Thatā€™s bullshit.



On a ship she had literally never seen before in her life 


You mean the ship that she explicitly calledĀ ā€œjunkā€? The one she says she advised against certain modifications for? The one owned by the Quarter Portion guy, who used to be her guardian, as we see in the flashback?
How does Rey fly the ship better than Han? Please, I havenā€™t seen a single piece of evidence for this in over two and a half years, but itā€™s treated as gospel.Ā 
Heck, he didnā€™t even ā€œhave it foreverā€, he lost it years, maybe decades ago.

Better than Han is less important than outflying two Ties on her first attempt.

Only due to home ground advantage, vs. two fighters designed mainly for space combat with horrible aerodynamics, and even then, she got Finnā€™s turret shot.
Also, sheā€™s all-but-explicitly shown to be using The Force. The dialogue draws attention to the fact that sheā€™s flying better than she expects.

ā€˜somebody did a thing that is entirely understandable given the context of the prior movies and the actual text of the movie at hand. But for some reason I missed these obvious things so yarrr!ā€™


No I fully accept the explanations for it. I still think it was poorly done and added to Reyā€™s perception as a Mary Sue who faces no real challenges and succeeds at everything.
That thereā€™s an explanation for what sheā€™s doing and how sheā€™s doing it doesnā€™t change that I and many people think she shouldnā€™t be doing it in the first place.

So, shedloads of people apparently ignored or missed the clear on-screen evidence to complain about this aspect of the movie, but itā€™s still the movieā€™s fault that theyā€™re wrong, even when theyā€™re making claims which they could not have reasonably arrived at (EG Reyā€™s a better pilot than Han.), and the only possible explanation isĀ ā€œfandom misconceptionsā€?

just because she succeeded (lived) doesnā€™t mean Rey herself experienced these things as ā€˜easyā€™. how many movies out there does the hero do something unexpectedly and benefit from the results? like maybe all of them? movies would be boring if characters are powerless the entire time until the exact one moment they need to win. they need to succeed and stumble a little bit along the way. little wins and little losses until the end. if she got her arm cut off, would that remove peopleā€™s mary sue label?

Thing is, people ignore the actual struggles she went through just because they have a Narrative. She didnā€™t just beat Kylo, he knocked her out pretty much instantly, and then Fin bought her time, and then she temporarily forced Ben back (IIRC, the book says she tapped into the Dark Side). We donā€™t even know if he wouldā€™ve been able to win if he got up, or even if he could get up. And this was while Kylo was bleeding out from a high-powered weapon, which the movie takes pain to remind us of.
But the fanbase acts like Rey apparently beat Ben with one hand tied behind her back, wearing a blindfold, while suffering from some hideous space-combination of Avian Flu and Ebola Zaire.
Iā€™m so glad Iā€™m not crazy. I thought I was the only one in the more conservative camp that doesnā€™t agree that Rey is a Mary Sue. There is lots of in-text explanation for why she excels at certain things as well as the time honored ā€œbecause the Forceā€œ answer which has applied to a lot of characters besides her. And she absolutely does have struggles even if they are primarily in emotional conflict and wrestling with her untapped strength and insecurities about her origins. These are what make the character. Calling the whole character a Mary Sue because ā€œshe fight too goodā€œ is kind of asinine. And donā€™t get me started on how they bitch about her beating Kylo and forget that he was mortally wounded at the time, and bitch about her knowing something about the Millennium Falcon and mechanical engineering despite the fact that she was A PROFESSIONAL JUNKER and the ship had been on her planet probably most of her life giving her plenty of time to explore it.But yeah pretending that only the minority actors/actresses get harrassed is bullshit.
    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                Adam Driver, Apparently, and Bad: Sean T. Collins
 Follow
 @theseantcollins
 weird that the person they went after
 from Ghostbusters was Leslie Jones.
 weird that the person they went after
 from Star Wars was Kelly Marie Tran.
 what on earth could explain this
 5:29 AM 5 Jun 2018
 7,482 Retweets 31,087 Likes
siryouarebeingmocked:
grumpy-goompa:

siryouarebeingmocked:

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theindependentconservative:

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triggeredmedia:
Bad acting and bad characters?
other actors in those movies/franchises got shit from trolls too.
melissa mccarthy. hayden christiansen. jake lloyd. laura dern.
the difference is that all these media outlets didnt declare it a public crises  keep reporting on it months after it was news.
Ā in fact, jake lloyd probably got it worse than anyone, being an actual child at the time  being traumatized for years because of bullying, but no one cared at the time  now it only gets brought up as a tacked on example when talking about those awful modern star wars fans.  hes a straight white man. what on earth could explain this?
 in leslie jones case, she turned it into an internet slap fight  drew much more attention to her when before that she was getting no more shit than the other leads.
look, we should always separate the actor from their role  people who attack an actor personally for a role are scumbags, but stop injecting racism  sexism into everything  then using it as a shield against actual valid criticism.

Not to mention Adam Driver. Heā€™s still getting crapped on. People complained that he was playing a Jewish guy infiltrating the Klan in a historical Spike Lee movie, even though he isnā€™t Jewish, which is apparently Not Allowed.
These are popular franchises. If a fraction of a percent of their fans are knob-ends who harass people, that would seem overwhelming to the person on the receiving end.

Not to mention Reyā€™s a Mary Sure now and everyone called it.

You do remember that I disagree with the majority opinion, right?
Also, people were calling her a Mary Sue from the first movie. Sometimes based on things that literally didnā€™t happen, likeĀ ā€œbeing a better pilot than Hanā€.

On a ship she had literally never seen before in her life until she could pilot it BETTER than someone whoā€™s had it forever.Thatā€™s bullshit.



On a ship she had literally never seen before in her life 


You mean the ship that she explicitly calledĀ ā€œjunkā€? The one she says she advised against certain modifications for? The one owned by the Quarter Portion guy, who used to be her guardian, as we see in the flashback?
How does Rey fly the ship better than Han? Please, I havenā€™t seen a single piece of evidence for this in over two and a half years, but itā€™s treated as gospel.Ā 
Heck, he didnā€™t even ā€œhave it foreverā€, he lost it years, maybe decades ago.

Better than Han is less important than outflying two Ties on her first attempt.

Only due to home ground advantage, vs. two fighters designed mainly for space combat with horrible aerodynamics, and even then, she got Finnā€™s turret shot.
Also, sheā€™s all-but-explicitly shown to be using The Force. The dialogue draws attention to the fact that sheā€™s flying better than she expects.

ā€˜somebody did a thing that is entirely understandable given the context of the prior movies and the actual text of the movie at hand. But for some reason I missed these obvious things so yarrr!ā€™


No I fully accept the explanations for it. I still think it was poorly done and added to Reyā€™s perception as a Mary Sue who faces no real challenges and succeeds at everything.
That thereā€™s an explanation for what sheā€™s doing and how sheā€™s doing it doesnā€™t change that I and many people think she shouldnā€™t be doing it in the first place.

So, shedloads of people apparently ignored or missed the clear on-screen evidence to complain about this aspect of the movie, but itā€™s still the movieā€™s fault that theyā€™re wrong, even when theyā€™re making claims which they could not have reasonably arrived at (EG Reyā€™s a better pilot than Han.), and the only possible explanation isĀ ā€œfandom misconceptionsā€?

just because she succeeded (lived) doesnā€™t mean Rey herself experienced these things as ā€˜easyā€™. how many movies out there does the hero do something unexpectedly and benefit from the results? like maybe all of them? movies would be boring if characters are powerless the entire time until the exact one moment they need to win. they need to succeed and stumble a little bit along the way. little wins and little losses until the end. if she got her arm cut off, would that remove peopleā€™s mary sue label?

Thing is, people ignore the actual struggles she went through just because they have a Narrative. She didnā€™t just beat Kylo, he knocked her out pretty much instantly, and then Fin bought her time, and then she temporarily forced Ben back (IIRC, the book says she tapped into the Dark Side). We donā€™t even know if he wouldā€™ve been able to win if he got up, or even if he could get up. And this was while Kylo was bleeding out from a high-powered weapon, which the movie takes pain to remind us of.
But the fanbase acts like Rey apparently beat Ben with one hand tied behind her back, wearing a blindfold, while suffering from some hideous space-combination of Avian Flu and Ebola Zaire.
Iā€™m so glad Iā€™m not crazy. I thought I was the only one in the more conservative camp that doesnā€™t agree that Rey is a Mary Sue. There is lots of in-text explanation for why she excels at certain things as well as the time honored ā€œbecause the Forceā€œ answer which has applied to a lot of characters besides her. And she absolutely does have struggles even if they are primarily in emotional conflict and wrestling with her untapped strength and insecurities about her origins. These are what make the character. Calling the whole character a Mary Sue because ā€œshe fight too goodā€œ is kind of asinine. And donā€™t get me started on how they bitch about her beating Kylo and forget that he was mortally wounded at the time, and bitch about her knowing something about the Millennium Falcon and mechanical engineering despite the fact that she was A PROFESSIONAL JUNKER and the ship had been on her planet probably most of her life giving her plenty of time to explore it.But yeah pretending that only the minority actors/actresses get harrassed is bullshit.
                
            

            
            
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