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Being Alone, Apparently, and Bad: Sp3ctre7171 points 3 hours ago You are absolutely correct 1) Miro learned to use the mobility of Winston, as well as his primal, to invent modern dive. He learned all of the tips and tricks and extracted extra value out of the hero that few realized was there. In doing so, he created a role that used main tank as an offensive centerpiece and threat to the backline, and all of a sudden flank heroes weren't alone. A poorly protected ana in the back could be beset by multiple members of the enemy team without much warning. However, this required both new gamesense from miro, and innovations in lucio play from Tobi. Specifically, tobi was able to peel for jehong better than many players thought was possible, compensating for the lack of defensive shields. The compounding innovation led to LH being an offensive threat at every position, and it made it possible for them to do the miraculous turnarounds that defined their APEX championship runs Playing against them was exhausting, as is expected from a team where any one member can wipe you out if left unchecked. 2) Gesture's contribution was twofold. Firstly, he extracted more value out of winston's kit on the defensive side, learning how to use primal both to continue an attack, and to peel for his own back line, which leads into his second main development. That being, under Gesture the final decision was made to transfer shotcalling duties from the main support (lucio and later mercy) and onto the main tank, primarily because engagements were no longer dictated by speed boost, but by the dive from the main tank. Together with the rest of GC Busan, Gesture planned, called, and executed crisp dives that were far better timed and aimed than those of old LH. Whereas Miro's dives were a terror because you would be under attack from multiple divers, the style that Gesture led the way on involved being instantly deleted by a full dive, where a healer pair could be hit with burst from multiple heroes in the same instant. This in turn changed the Winston interplay into a mind game, where there was a choice to be made between deleting the enemy's backline and attempting to save your own. Winston players were forced to learn how to make each leap and pincer engage perfect, or they would simply lose the fight Permalink Embed Save Parent Report Give Gold Reply Sp3ctre7160 points 3 hours ago (Continued) 3) what guxue is introducing is a Winston as the focus of a dive, not just the linchpin. While that sounds like the same thing previously, the Winston would be used to coordinate dives and call the timing, but with Guxue, resources are poured into the Winston to make sure that he can have offensive value. Both because Winston can do damage to the whole team at once (and thus build ult insanely fast against teams pocketing a zen, or against GOATS comps), but also because Winston can simultaneously disrupt the escape methods for healers AND bypass most of the ways in which healers are protected, such as matrix and shields Guxue's innovations are most similar to miro's in that they are mostly focused on a single player's style and that one hero's impact in a game. Changing the offensive presence of a hero is impactful and increases the visible skill gap between good and bad teams, but the effects are mostly limited to that one hero. For that reason, I think that the innovations brought forth by Gesture (and many others) are the most important to the development of modern Winston play, in that they represented a fundamental change in the whole shotcalling and tactical philosophy of dive teams, and opened the gates to the more complex and match specific strategies that we saw in the overwatch league owldesk: some really good tank playstyle analysis on redditย (as a side note, this guy is apparently gonna have analysis articles out soon and you better BELIEVE iโ€™m gonna link them bc if theyโ€™re anything like this write up theyโ€™ll be great)
Being Alone, Apparently, and Bad: Sp3ctre7171 points 3 hours ago
 You are absolutely correct
 1) Miro learned to use the mobility of Winston, as well as his primal, to invent modern dive. He learned all of the tips and tricks
 and extracted extra value out of the hero that few realized was there. In doing so, he created a role that used main tank as an
 offensive centerpiece and threat to the backline, and all of a sudden flank heroes weren't alone. A poorly protected ana in the
 back could be beset by multiple members of the enemy team without much warning. However, this required both new gamesense
 from miro, and innovations in lucio play from Tobi. Specifically, tobi was able to peel for jehong better than many players thought
 was possible, compensating for the lack of defensive shields. The compounding innovation led to LH being an offensive threat at
 every position, and it made it possible for them to do the miraculous turnarounds that defined their APEX championship runs
 Playing against them was exhausting, as is expected from a team where any one member can wipe you out if left unchecked.
 2) Gesture's contribution was twofold. Firstly, he extracted more value out of winston's kit on the defensive side, learning how to
 use primal both to continue an attack, and to peel for his own back line, which leads into his second main development. That
 being, under Gesture the final decision was made to transfer shotcalling duties from the main support (lucio and later mercy) and
 onto the main tank, primarily because engagements were no longer dictated by speed boost, but by the dive from the main tank.
 Together with the rest of GC Busan, Gesture planned, called, and executed crisp dives that were far better timed and aimed than
 those of old LH. Whereas Miro's dives were a terror because you would be under attack from multiple divers, the style that
 Gesture led the way on involved being instantly deleted by a full dive, where a healer pair could be hit with burst from multiple
 heroes in the same instant. This in turn changed the Winston interplay into a mind game, where there was a choice to be made
 between deleting the enemy's backline and attempting to save your own. Winston players were forced to learn how to make each
 leap and pincer engage perfect, or they would simply lose the fight
 Permalink Embed Save Parent Report Give Gold Reply
 Sp3ctre7160 points 3 hours ago
 (Continued)
 3) what guxue is introducing is a Winston as the focus of a dive, not just the linchpin. While that sounds like the same thing
 previously, the Winston would be used to coordinate dives and call the timing, but with Guxue, resources are poured into the
 Winston to make sure that he can have offensive value. Both because Winston can do damage to the whole team at once (and
 thus build ult insanely fast against teams pocketing a zen, or against GOATS comps), but also because Winston can
 simultaneously disrupt the escape methods for healers AND bypass most of the ways in which healers are protected, such as
 matrix and shields
 Guxue's innovations are most similar to miro's in that they are mostly focused on a single player's style and that one hero's impact
 in a game. Changing the offensive presence of a hero is impactful and increases the visible skill gap between good and bad
 teams, but the effects are mostly limited to that one hero. For that reason, I think that the innovations brought forth by Gesture
 (and many others) are the most important to the development of modern Winston play, in that they represented a fundamental
 change in the whole shotcalling and tactical philosophy of dive teams, and opened the gates to the more complex and match
 specific strategies that we saw in the overwatch league
owldesk:

some really good tank playstyle analysis on redditย (as a side note, this guy is apparently gonna have analysis articles out soon and you better BELIEVE iโ€™m gonna link them bc if theyโ€™re anything like this write up theyโ€™ll be great)

owldesk: some really good tank playstyle analysis on redditย (as a side note, this guy is apparently gonna have analysis articles out soon a...

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A Dream, Beautiful, and Cute: Elizabeth
 @springbreak2005
 I hung out with this guy a couple
 times last semester and this
 morning he tried to snapchat
 me and a bunch of other girls
 but accidentally started a huge
 groupchat and

 1:10
 Kyles fuck up
 Kyle probably wanted to send nudes to all
 of us
 But ended up creating a group
 Probably that AA
 sad
 Truly
 Happens to the best of us
 we should kick him out of the group and
 just send each other nudes
 YesAA
 Honestly living for that idea
 maooo i'm always down for that
 Oh my god I am so down
 Send a chat

 Kyles fuck up
 And I like girls
 So this will be a dream
 Thank you. In advance.
 Hahaha perfect
 yeah i'm here for that gay shit
 |Always down
 | Girls do it better
 I wanna know who all y'all is
 it's true sometimes i wonder why i still date
 men!!
 my name is may and i have a really cute
 dog!
 Send a chat

 1:12 1
 Kyles fuck up
 beauty
 i'm so gay
 Mood
 Wait excuse me
 HOW RUALL SO HOT
 WHAT did just wake up to
 some gay shit
 welcome to the gay zone
 ME
 sTOP I just woke up
 This is amazing are we all gay
 i'm here for it
 i'm gay!!
 this is a such a dream wow
 Okay seriously I actually love girls so if any
 ME
 of ou wanna fuck .. ;)
 Send a chat

 1:12 1
 Kyles fuck up
 omG how are u all so beautiful
 i play for both teams
 Wow wtf is going on
 kyle accidentally started a lesbian cult
 Hahahaha he didnt even know what he was
 capable of
 He's such an idiot
 IM WEAK
 this can't be a coincidence
 ME
 this is the best thing I could've possibly
 woken up to oh my god
 honestly this is pretty great thanks kyle
 yeah wow we can live out our niche sapphic
 fantasies
 Send a chat
actyourshoesizegirl:

lena-zorel:

20gayteen is so fucking real x


โ€œKyle accidentally started a Lesbian cultโ€

actyourshoesizegirl: lena-zorel: 20gayteen is so fucking real x โ€œKyle accidentally started a Lesbian cultโ€